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4850, not impressed, what am I doing wrong.

thegoonden

thegoonden

thegoonden

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Built a box for a cow-orker today based round a Q6600 and a 4850.

Firstly, with the supplied drivers, I cannot run any benchmarks, aquamark runs, then exits with an "access violation" error before giving the results. 3dMark just freezes on the splashscreen as soon as you hit "run benchmark".

I tried the latest beta drivers from guru3d and they just caused the machine to boot to a black desktop then continually reboot.


In the brief bit of a test I did get, it's aquamark score (or at least the frame rates shown while benching since it wont give me an overall score), was 50-70% that of my 8800GTX, when all the benches I read online before saddling the guy with an ATI card, seemed to indicate it should be 100-130% the GTX's score.



Been using NV a long time, so maybe I've missed some essential step that all you ATI people take for granted.

Any clues?
(particularly which driver version actually works....I knew there was a reason I'd avoided these guys for a LONG time).

I can't hand over this machine like this.
 
Fresh installation of windows. No drivers to clean.

Surely a faulty card wouldn't actually run anything but?

How come there's no official drivers available?

The ones on the CD must be months old, I thouht ATI were supposed to be better than NV for drivers?


Gonna try it in vista before RMAing it (and I suppose changing to a 9800 or something).
 
thegoonden said:
Fresh installation of windows. No drivers to clean.

Surely a faulty card wouldn't actually run anything but?

How come there's no official drivers available?

The ones on the CD must be months old, I thouht ATI were supposed to be better than NV for drivers?


Gonna try it in vista before RMAing it (and I suppose changing to a 9800 or something).
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There are HotFix drivers you could try i will get the link in a sec

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&questionID=35298
 
Have you tried the latest Catalyst 8.6 from ATI site yet?

There's hotfix patch for this as well.

Benchmark real games and you'll see a difference.
 
thegoonden said:
Built a box for a cow-orker today based round a Q6600 and a 4850.

Firstly, with the supplied drivers, I cannot run any benchmarks, aquamark runs, then exits with an "access violation" error before giving the results. 3dMark just freezes on the splashscreen as soon as you hit "run benchmark".

I tried the latest beta drivers from guru3d and they just caused the machine to boot to a black desktop then continually reboot.


In the brief bit of a test I did get, it's aquamark score (or at least the frame rates shown while benching since it wont give me an overall score), was 50-70% that of my 8800GTX, when all the benches I read online before saddling the guy with an ATI card, seemed to indicate it should be 100-130% the GTX's score.



Been using NV a long time, so maybe I've missed some essential step that all you ATI people take for granted.

Any clues?
(particularly which driver version actually works....I knew there was a reason I'd avoided these guys for a LONG time).

I can't hand over this machine like this.
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Could be a power issue,which psu are you using?
 
Cheers, I thought I seen something like that mentioned, but nothing showed up on google other than the beta drivers from guru3d (again, this is after months of reading NV getting slagged for leaked betas).

Sorry, I'm not in the best of moods about this, downright stroppy in fact (doesn't help that I'm just out of bed). Mainly because I ignore personal experience and trusted "You Lot" ;)
I do appreciate your help though.


Interestingly, that last time I tried to run aquamark, it made a MUCH better effort, still not close to the GTX, but much better, maybe it just needed the CPU to make a bit more effort (this time was at 3GHz, not 2.4). Still filled it's undies as soon as it tried to bring the result up.
 
steve258 said:
Have you tried the latest Catalyst 8.6 from ATI site yet?

There's hotfix patch for this as well.

Benchmark real games and you'll see a difference.
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Only supports up to 3870 according to ATI.


Can't bench games, don't have any I can legally install on his machine.
Aquamark's always been a 100% accurate analogue of game performance for me though....none of this 3dmark crud.


If you can reccomend a good game with a good bench, where this card SHOULD hammer the GTX (though I am fairly sure aquamark WAS one of those I read online), I'll see about obtaining it.



Card WILL run Rxwhatyoucall it....the shiny ball rendering thing, for ages quite happily, and seems to manage more competitive FPS there.
 
Aquamark has had an issue with newer cards for ages and doesn't like x64 iirc. There was a patch for it and/or a dll that needed replacing.

Not sure about 3dMark, which version? though '06 can take a while to get going sometimes.

I can't see the drivers on the CD being more than a month old tbh but official drivers from here, hot fixes from here

Other than that check, chipset drivers for mobo, bios settings and run CPUZ and GPUZ to make sure things look ok in those.

Than as suggested try some games as a lot of reviews showed not much difference in 3dMark06 but much more in games.

edit: some free game benchmarks here, though obviously those are demo ones not patched up game ones.
 
thegoonden said:
Cheers, I thought I seen something like that mentioned, but nothing showed up on google other than the beta drivers from guru3d (again, this is after months of reading NV getting slagged for leaked betas).
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And rightly so as leaked betas all that avalible for months & months with NV most of the time.
But with ati you know that by the end of the month at the latest you will get full drivers every time & including for any new cards released.
 
Cheers for the help folks.
Machine is installing vista64 just now,so I'll try the card there, then try all you've suggested back in XP32.

On the upside....the image quality's better than I expected ;)
 
PS, if I don't post back again tonight, I've not taken the advice and run, nor shot myself.....gotta go do an honest night's work (Right, you at the back, who said "that'd be a first".
 
8.6's do work as they have the 4800's supported in the .inf, you just download the 3800 ones, but the hotfix drivers are what you should be running, so need for the 8.6's, as the hotfix drivers are a full driver package.
 
Do the new 4800 series cards need .net 3 or anything? Not sure that would impact on performance though.
 
Old faithful : Change PCI-E frequency to either 99/101/105/106/109/110/115. Sometimes causes probs being at standard frequency for some bizarre reason.

Mine is set at 109 personally.

What motherboard you running?

EDIT: Good shout on the dot net 3 as well!

Matthew
 
Gentlemen, my thanks.

:bow:

Found the hotfix for 3dmark all on me lonesome, and yip ya, the machine is RIPPING along.

Considering the CPU is slower, and considering this machine is DDR2, and mine is DDR3 I think scores of 90% of mye GTX OC2 are pretty bloody respectable for a hundred quid's worth of card.
Also noticed using that shiny ball rendering thingy I cannae remember the name of, ever, that AA makes much less impact as promised.

I even re-acquainted myself with the CCC.

All was going so well, until a misplaced format command wiped my bootloader......beyond repair too sadly.

Back to square one, but at least I know the way to go now :D:D

thanks again.



PS....kinda hoping the new drivers have better fan control when they come out. I laughed at the first posts about hot 4800's...."oh little ATI neophites, how little they know of the thermonuclear GPUcore" thought I.....but errrrm I see the point now.....the amount of heat soaking into the card is beyond belief, 14% fan my knackers!!



Doesn't seem to bother the card as much as me though :D, and I assume since this is an Antec 1200, the temps dived as soon as the side of the wind tunnel...sorry I mean case, went on.



PPS.........
13000ish in 3dmark06 OK for 3.2GHz, 4GB of DDR800 and a 4850 at stock? Seems good to me, but what do I know :D
 
Scougar said:
Old faithful : Change PCI-E frequency to either 99/101/105/106/109/110/115. Sometimes causes probs being at standard frequency for some bizarre reason.

Mine is set at 109 personally.

What motherboard you running?

EDIT: Good shout on the dot net 3 as well!

Matthew
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Think I'll give the PCIE clock a tweak anyway, even though the card's performing better, it's started up "funny" a coupla times, might well cure that.
 
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