4K Freesync Monitor Request

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Lots of the Freesync monitors listed on OcUK do not actual have that in their descriptions.
I am unsure which monitors support it and which not.

Can someone suggest a good monitor that has lets say:
- 27" or more in size
- 4K pixels 3840x2160 (standard 16:9)
- HDR (I just read about in this forum)
- Freesync
- Displayport connectors

And does not:
- Curvy stuff
- G-Sync (not throwing money at nvidia for licences)

Or maybe where to start or how to read the descriptions:
Features:
- Ultra HD 4K Display -> OK, get that
- IPS* -> hmm, hmm google?
- SRGB** Over 99% -> is that HDR?
- Color Calibrated -> ponder
Specification:
- Screen Size Class (diagonal): 27" -> OKish
- Aspect Ratio: 16:9 -> check
- Panel Type: IPS -> hmm, hmm no idea
- Color Gamut (CIE1931*****): sRGB over 99% -> what?
- Color Depth (Number of Colors): 8bits****, 16.7M -> 8bit colour?!? Like before VGA?
- Pixel Pitch (mm): 0.1554mm x 0.1554mm -> what?
- Response Time: 5ms GTG*** -> hmm, hmm
- Resolution: 3840x2160 -> check
- Brightness (cd/m2): 250 cd/m2 -> no idea
- Contrast Ratio: Mega -> mega sounds good, but is it?
- Viewing Angle:178 / 178 -> what? how I sit?
- INPUTS/OUTPUTS: x2 HDMI 1.4, 1x DIsplayPort -> check
- Warranty: 2yr -> yo

* IPS -> has to do with the refreshrate, IPS is normal 60-144Hz, VA is slow, TN has refreshrate of over 200Hz
** sRGB -> pretty much standard across everything like websites etc. since 1999
*** GTG -> pretty much standard it means the time it takes to go from grey to white and back to grey, which other montiors list BtB black to white to black which is usually longer
**** Color Depth 8bit -> I guess they mean standard 8bit per colour, so RGB with 24bit colour information, the only other standard comes from Adobe with 10bit per colour
***** CIE1931 -> is a function for a curve that describes the visible spectrum of colours of a standard observer. Do they mean they reach 99% of the human visible colours?
 
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You can filter monitors that only have freesync - https://www.overclockers.co.uk/monitors/by-type/freesync

that'll solve a big part of your problem and will only display freesync panels - unfortunately you can't further refine the results which is frustrating.

the only one i can find that meets all your requirements is

my basket at overclockers uk:
Total: £1,111.09 (includes shipping: £11.10)
​

If you remove HDR which is the limiting factor at this time then you have many more options :

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £5,580.65 (includes shipping: £41.76)​
​
 
Thank you Squid Vicious I would not have found it :)
But it is also really recent.

32" would be brilliant to watch BR or DVD via HDMI on it from my armchair.
60Hz are no problem for me, most GPU cannot produce anything or much more than that at 4k anyway and I play mostly RPG.

Question:
- can it upscale 1920x1080 or is this something the GPU does?
- can I run stuff at 1920x1080 (thinking of interfaces in games or text to read, especially older or indie titles)
 
There are new monitors coming from LG soon which will have HDR and satisfy all your requirements - you should start seeing them from next month.

- Ultra HD 4K Display -> OK, get that
- IPS* -> hmm, hmm google?
This is the type of panel, there are a number of different panel types available including TN, IPS, VA and PLS (and even OLED but we won't talk about that as it's not yet been adopted by monitor manufacturers)
If you want to find out some more in depth information on panel types go and read this (it's by a regular on the forums) - http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies.htm
In short each panel type comes with it's own pro's and con's TN are good for fast paced gaming where response time is king but has relatively poor colour reproduction (supposedly arguable on some of the newer panels) whilst IPS and others offer much better viewing angles and colour reproduction but have things like IPS glow which may be an issue for you.

- SRGB** Over 99% -> is that HDR?
Nope - it's the percentage of the colour space that the monitor can reproduce - I shouldn't worry to much about this unless you're into photo editing or similar.

- Color Calibrated -> ponder
Maybe factory calibrated and therefore setup to give better results out of the box - again wouldn't worry to much about this unless you're into photo editing or similar.

Specification:
- Screen Size Class (diagonal): 27" -> OKish
- Aspect Ratio: 16:9 -> check
- Panel Type: IPS -> hmm, hmm no idea
See above

- Color Gamut (CIE1931): sRGB over 99% -> what?
- Color Depth (Number of Colors): 8bits****, 16.7M -> 8bit colour?!? Like before VGA?
- Pixel Pitch (mm): 0.1554mm x 0.1554mm -> what?
Don't worry about it - focus on the physical size of the monitor and the resolution - they're more relevant than this spec (on one side having a high res like 4k on a small screen - which would have relatively small pixel pitch - would result in tiny text and you'd need to ensure you have font scaling and hope your apps manage and at the other end of the spectrum you get 32" 1080P screens which means big pixels and it's probably quite noticeable if you sit close - might be good if you have poor eye sight mind you! :cool:)
you're on the right track with 4k at 27" and above - personally I think the sweet spot is 32" for a 4k monitor
- Response Time: 5ms GTG*** -> hmm, hmm
I wouldn't worry about it

- Resolution: 3840x2160 -> check

- Brightness (cd/m2): 250 cd/m2 -> no idea
300 cd/m2 and above is better - it's basically how bright the screen is.

- Contrast Ratio: Mega -> mega sounds good, but is it?
That's marketing at it's finest and is pretty meaningless

- Viewing Angle:178 / 178 -> what? how I sit?
yep - this tells you at what angles the screen can be viewed from - remember the TN from earlier - they have poorer viewing angles. Not really an issue if you're sitting directly in front of the monitor but needs to be accounted for if you have a multiple monitor setup or a particularly wide monitor.

- INPUTS/OUTPUTS: x2 HDMI 1.4, 1x DIsplayPort -> check
- Warranty: 2yr -> yo
 
disi said:
Thank you Squid Vicious I would not have found it :)
But it is also really recent.

32" would be brilliant to watch BR or DVD via HDMI on it from my armchair.
60Hz are no problem for me, most GPU cannot produce anything or much more than that at 4k anyway and I play mostly RPG.

Question:
- can it upscale 1920x1080 or is this something the GPU does?
- can I run stuff at 1920x1080 (thinking of interfaces in games or text to read, especially older or indie titles)
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- can it upscale 1920x1080 or is this something the GPU does?
I'm not sure on the upscaling question - what's the scenario you're thinking of? I know that typically 4k TVs have built in scalers so would upscale from a 1080P source.
Thinking about, it must do - I just set my resolution to 1080P in the nvidia control panel and that was upscaled to 4k on the monitor i.e. it filled the entire display.

- can I run stuff at 1920x1080 (thinking of interfaces in games or text to read, especially older or indie titles)
You can manually set the resolution to 1920x1080 (or even 2560x1440 as the aspect ratios are the same) from within windows.
 
I probably get one, but the picture is not the "black" one, I wonder :)

The LG has no Freesync2, which seems to be important together with HDR to have a smooth experience.





C27HG70 27" 2560X1440 VA FREESYNC 144HZ GAMING QUANTUM DOT HDR WIDESCREEN CURVED MONITOR
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sams...-hdr-widescreen-curved-monitor-mo-235-sa.html

That one has Freesync2, HDR, half the prize. It has not quite the resolution and size, it is also curved :/

I finally went for the 32" version of the Samsung. It is like half way to 4K.

C32HG70 32" 2560X1440 VA FREESYNC 144HZ GAMING QUANTUM DOT HDR WIDESCREEN CURVED MONITOR
 
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OK, Windows 10 cannot do HDR. It can but it way to dark and the Monitor itself is really bright already.
Without HDR it is too bright, I now use Cinema with 75 brightness.

Legends of Eisenwald looks great in full resolution :D

p.s. cables are stupid. The power plug points into the wrong direction. No way to put the blend back on. DP cable is very short.
 
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Squid Vicious said:
You can filter monitors that only have freesync - https://www.overclockers.co.uk/monitors/by-type/freesync

that'll solve a big part of your problem and will only display freesync panels - unfortunately you can't further refine the results which is frustrating.

the only one i can find that meets all your requirements is

my basket at overclockers uk:
Total: £1,111.09 (includes shipping: £11.10)
​

If you remove HDR which is the limiting factor at this time then you have many more options :

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £5,580.65 (includes shipping: £41.76)
​
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Only LGs and Samsungs and a single, lonely AOC. I'd be frustrated with these options.
But if you wanna an advice, rate them in this order - AOC >> LG >> Samsung.
 
Now experiencing 2560x1440 resolution, I am glad to not go full 4K.
360p Youtube Videos look very unsharp for example.
Websites often only produce a thin block of text somewhere in the middle or far left of the browser.
Everything on the web seems optimised for 1920x1080 and not higher resolutions.
 
disi said:
Now experiencing 2560x1440 resolution, I am glad to not go full 4K.
360p Youtube Videos look very unsharp for example.
Websites often only produce a thin block of text somewhere in the middle or far left of the browser.
Everything on the web seems optimised for 1920x1080 and not higher resolutions.
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I don't know how you see YouTube videos not sharp. I have tried and they look better.
About websites, please use scaling, it is an option to be used.
 
4K8KW10 said:
I don't know how you see YouTube videos not sharp. I have tried and they look better.
About websites, please use scaling, it is an option to be used.
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Try this one (max 360p): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hIyD1QlX9k
And this website in your maximised browser: https://community.amd.com/community/support-forums/drivers-software
Or this one (95% commercial background and some news on the left of the screen): http://www.spiegel.de/

Good I used the correct word :)
unsharp -> not a clear image
blurred -> only refers to photographs
pixelated -> does not apply here
out of focus -> does also not apply

It is more like there are so huge one coloured spaces in the face of a person that it looks bad. The resolution of the original video is too small to be stretched that far. Like the cheek has three depths of colour and
I also played with GPU Scaling or let the monitor do the job, seems worse with GPU scaling but not on every frame. Some look better GPU scaled and some monitor scaled.

And it depends on how far away you sit. I usually sit about 75cm to 1.5m in front of the monitor.

Oh and HDR in Windows 10 is of course bugged.

Some additional stuff you should buy:

OcUK Value 5m Male - Male Display Port Monitor Cable


OcUK Value ATX "Kettle Plug" 5 Meter 13A Mains Cable (RB-305)


OcUK Value 1.8m A-A (M-F) USB Extension Cable (CDL-022)
 
OcUK Value 5m Male - Male Display Port Monitor Cable
CB-072-OK
£8 (incl. VAT)
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OcUK Value ATX "Kettle Plug" 5 Meter 13A Mains Cable (RB-305)
CB-045-OK
£7 (incl. VAT)
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OcUK Value 1.8m A-A (M-F) USB Extension Cable (CDL-022)
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If the source is low resolution then scaling it will not improve the quality of the image.

The qreater the difference between source and scaled resolution the lower the quality will be.

A 360p video just isn't going to look good when viewed (scaled e.g. fullscreen) on higher resolution monitors.

The benefit of a higher resolution monitor is that you can enjoy higher definition content.
 
I am still experimenting. For example in the game on the large monitor, the fonts are scaled properly but the text boxes are too large to like overview the text while reading. Usually you can see several lines of text and just read out load, but now I have to move the eyes to see the next lines or the left/right end of the textbox.
It is all just a thing of getting used to, I guess.
 
One last feedback for the C32HG70. In Kingdom Come Deliverance at night or in dark rooms indoor, the lag of dark areas is terrible.
Every dark edge, like treelines are night, door frames, chairs whatever, gets an up to 1cm wide grey lag area if you move the camera at night or in the dark. At daytime or in bright light, you don't notice the lag.

But now :)
Playing Dying Light, no such thing. The difference is, in KCD the fps drop down to under 50fps at times, not so much noticeable with Freesync, while Dying Light stays ~80fps at a minimum.
all the black in DL is pitch black, at night this is impressive and not lag if black areas at all.
 
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disi said:
Lots of the Freesync monitors listed on OcUK do not actual have that in their descriptions.
I am unsure which monitors support it and which not.

Can someone suggest a good monitor that has lets say:
- 27" or more in size
- 4K pixels 3840x2160 (standard 16:9)
Click to expand...

Monitors with 3840x2160 is UHD only not 4K and 4096xunspecified is True 4K When a monitor/TV's say 4K UHD it's not True 4K another market hype it should be labelled Just UHD or 2160p
 
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