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I do know mate but that's not how he meant it...
I have 1080p, 1440p and 4k monitors and not only understand their differences but can physically view their differences with my own eyes...

By his recogning... All this time running 2x 1080p side by side with another 2 more on top and then spanning the picture across them all gave you a better picture quality than a single native 2160p monitor???

That's how his comment reads to me and that's crazy!

What he is saying is, it is down to the PPI. In the example he gave he said 4 x 1080p screens stitched together making up a 40" screen is the same PPI as 1 x 2160p 40" screen. The point being, if you are looking for an improvement of image quality, you need to increase your PPI.

That is what I understand from what he said :)
 
No its not! :D
That would just be a larger sized monitor but still at 1080p resolution! ;)

You must think stacking 4 40" HD TV's would give you an 80" 4k telly???

Ummm no... It wouldn't be 1080p resolution. It would be 4x 1080p, which is uhd/4K

4x 1920 x 1080 = 3840 x 2160 = UHD / 4K

4x 40" 4K TVs would give you the equivalent of an 80" 8K TV... With the same pixel size of a 40" 4K TV.

The pixel size on a 40" 4K screen is identical to that of 4x 20" 1080p screens.
 
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1080p resolution no matter what the size is not the same as 2160p resolution!

What he was saying is that 1080p resolution in a bigger size is comparable to 2160p resolution in that same size...

That's simply not true...

Put a 60" 4k TV next to a 60" 1080p TV... The difference in picture quality is enormous...
So how does stacking 4 smaller 30" 1080p resolution TV's together to make a 60" size TV... make it have the quality of a single 60" 4k native resolution TV sat next to it?

If your talking about creating a native resolution... Then you wouldn't need to mention multiplying using physical monitor sizing... You just talk about pixel density ;)

What would more accurate would be to take 4 x 40" 1080p monitors... Sticking them together... Then shrinking them all back down into 1 x 40" monitor! ;)

Then you would have condensed the pixels into a 4k resolution on a single 40" monitor...

And then picture quality would be greatly improved!

Thus rendering his thoughts that "he doesn't see any IQ/density/clarity/resolution benefit"... ridiculous :D

As silly as standing in front of a 40" 4k monitor and 40" 1080p monitor and saying they look the same in image quality! :D

What? Lol... You're nuts :p

I was talking about density and IQ... You even quote it yourself in parentheses above...

I'm clearly talking about 4x 1080p panels stuck together... No resizing involved... Which is the exact point I'm trying to make that there is no density benefit to having a 40" 4K screen at desktop resolution, being the exact same pixel density as 4x 20" 1080p monitors stuck together... Not sure how you can't get this.
 
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I think you need to go read his post again ;)

If you are unsure what PPI is, google that, it will help you understand what he is saying.

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4k 40" isn't supposed to be special in that regard. The whole point people prefer the 40" over a smaller panel is that it has the right ppi. Saying it's no better than 4x 20" 1080p screens is absolutely missing the point. If you want a higher density panel, then there are 24" 4k monitors out there.

40" 4k is the sweet spot. Right density, low enough ppi that you can get away without scaling and about as physically big as you'd ever want to go.

Which, if you go back before the confused posts by someone... You'll see is my point... 40" is too large of a ppi for me, for me, not for everyone, there's no iq benefit over sticking 4 normalish size 1080p monitors together. 31.5/32" is the perfect pixel size for 100% scaling for my eyes... Which is the same as 4x 15.6" 1080p monitors stuck together... Or the same ppi as a lot of laptops. I would have gone higher dpi, but I'm not happy with current scaling options.
 
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I do know mate but that's not how he said it...
I have 1080p, 1440p and 4k monitors and not only understand their differences but can physically view their differences with my own eyes...


By his recogning... All this time running 2x 1080p mointors side by side with another 2 more on top and then spanning the picture across them all gave you a comparable picture quality to a single native 2160p resolution monitor???

That's just a larger 1080p picture....

That's how his comment reads to me and that's crazy!

I have no idea how you get that from those words...

Who would run a 1080p monitor at 960x540 resolution?

That is the resolution you would have to run each monitor at to get 1920x1080 stretched across all 4 monitors... Which is what you are stating. That would just be plain odd. How does that have any relation to 4K or what I was saying?

All four 1080p monitors would be running at native resolution... So yes, that does give you a single 4K monitor broken up by a horizontal and vertical bezel (unless you can find bezel-free screens).

Complete misinterpretation at your end dude... Like others have already pointed out to you.

If I had wanted to say what you are postulating, and I don't, then I could have simply said that I see no difference between a 40" 1080p tv and a 40" 4k TV. Simple as that, there wouldn't have to be any strange messing around of buying four smaller monitors, sticking them together, setting them to a very low resolution and then adding them back together. Doesn't make sense...
 
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What he is saying is, it is down to the PPI. In the example he gave he said 4 x 1080p screens stitched together making up a 40" screen is the same PPI as 1 x 2160p 40" screen. The point being, if you are looking for an improvement of image quality, you need to increase your PPI.

That is what I understand from what he said :)

I'm glad you, James and rroff get it... 3/4 ain't bad lol :)

Well we see his implications differently then...

You are the only one out of four who've posted a reply that misunderstand :p
 
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Which, if you go back before the confused posts by someone... You'll see is my point... 40" is too large of a ppi for me, for me, not for everyone, there's no iq benefit over sticking 4 normalish size 1080p monitors together. 31.5/32" is the perfect pixel size for 100% scaling for my eyes... Which is the same as 4x 15.6" 1080p monitors stuck together... Or the same ppi as a lot of laptops. I would have gone higher dpi, but I'm not happy with current scaling options.

This is why my next 4K monitor would be 32", simply because windows scaling does not work to the standard I want.

An example, if I using 150% windows 10 scaling and open steam, all the pictures and text are no longer sharp and have a bit of a blur, same with many other programs which is unacceptable. Therefore I run at 100% scaling which is not to bad at 27", but I would ideally like things a bit bigger. Only way around this is going for a 32" screen. I would lose some PPI, but it would be worth it on the balance of things.

Right now my main issue really is with Microsoft Word and Excel. The ribbon is too small. The work around is to change text size for menus in windows from 9 to 11. This makes the menu and the text slightly blurry again. Luckily there is a way of sorting out Firefox and Thunderbird to scale 150% without getting any blur, which is why I have been fine using this monitor for over a year now. I wish more programs offered the ability to independently change dpi option within them.

But before I get another 4K monitor, it will need to have HDMI 2 and offer Freesync/G-Sync in the 25-60 range and be priced lower then they are currently.
 
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Yup... same reason I wanted 100% scaling... that blur is horrible. Win 10 automatically set itself to 150% too... so I noticed it straight away.

OSX is doing a good job with scaling, but then the apps had to be adjusted for it.

Windows haven't been updated enough yet... in a couple of years when I buy my next monitor... I'm sure scaling will have improved and I'm hoping for 120Hz+ 4k too, also with g-sync/freesync.

One of the reasons I went for the Dell over the Samsung, was HDMI 2.0 :) I really like the Dell, it's a gorgeous monitor :)
 
Yup... same reason I wanted 100% scaling... that blur is horrible. Win 10 automatically set itself to 150% too... so I noticed it straight away.

OSX is doing a good job with scaling, but then the apps had to be adjusted for it.

Windows haven't been updated enough yet... in a couple of years when I buy my next monitor... I'm sure scaling will have improved and I'm hoping for 120Hz+ 4k too, also with g-sync/freesync.

One of the reasons I went for the Dell over the Samsung, was HDMI 2.0 :) I really like the Dell, it's a gorgeous monitor :)

Yeah, definitely. Only thing it has lacking is freesync/g-sync. I am hoping Dell will introduce that in their next line up.
 
Yup... but my gadget-craving got the better of me :D

I'd already been waiting long enough... decided not to wait any more ;)

Haha. Yeah I know the feeling. That is what got me to buy this monitor back in 2014. I would be lying if I said I regretted doing so :D

I am currently craving to go for a 144Hz 1440p IPS monitor with Freesync. This would solve my scaling issue also, so it is a all in one. But I get the feeling it will go to waste on me as I don't play fps online. I would end up getting a downgrade in image quality for something that will not make much of a difference.
 
This is why my next 4K monitor would be 32", simply because windows scaling does not work to the standard I want.

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Right now my main issue really is with Microsoft Word and Excel.

Windows scaling works just fine for me in Excel 2013. On Windows 8.1.


Yup... same reason I wanted 100% scaling... that blur is horrible. Win 10 automatically set itself to 150% too... so I noticed it straight away.

OSX is doing a good job with scaling, but then the apps had to be adjusted for it.

Windows scaling works fine if the apps are written to cope with scaling, just like the Mac. Why the double standard?
 
Windows scaling works just fine for me in Excel 2013. On Windows 8.1.




Windows scaling works fine if the apps are written to cope with scaling, just like the Mac. Why the double standard?

So you are on a 4k monitor with Windows scaling set to 100% and Excel 2013 scales well? On mine the ribbon becomes small. Obviously with the cells you can zoom in, but the ribbon?
 
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Which, if you go back before the confused posts by someone... You'll see is my point... 40" is too large of a ppi for me, for me, not for everyone, there's no iq benefit over sticking 4 normalish size 1080p monitors together. 31.5/32" is the perfect pixel size for 100% scaling for my eyes... Which is the same as 4x 15.6" 1080p monitors stuck together... Or the same ppi as a lot of laptops. I would have gone higher dpi, but I'm not happy with current scaling options.

how close do you sit to your monitor:eek:


So you are on a 4k monitor with Windows scaling set to 100% and Excel 2013 scales well? On mine the ribbon becomes small. Obviously with the cells you can zoom in, but the ribbon?

well, with scaling set to 100% there is no scaling, of course, so you are totally reliant on how close together those pixels are on the screen. if it's too small, really your only proper option is a bigger screen. I still think 32" is too small for 4k, but i appreciate i sit further back than most (> arms length)
 
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how close do you sit to your monitor:eek:




well, with scaling set to 100% there is no scaling, of course, so you are totally reliant on how close together those pixels are on the screen. if it's too small, really your only proper option is a bigger screen. I still think 32" is too small for 4k, but i appreciate i sit further back than most (> arms length)

But I made it clear in my post which he replied to that I have my windows scaling set at 100% as anything else is not optimal for me. So unless he did not read my post, I assume he is saying there is a way to make Excel scale independently from Windows just like I do with my Firefox and Thunderbird.
 
So you are on a 4k monitor with Windows scaling set to 100% and Excel 2013 scales well? On mine the ribbon becomes small. Obviously with the cells you can zoom in, but the ribbon?

The scaling for my 4K monitor is set to Medium (125%).
 
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