5 subs in the PL from next season

[fez]

So, good bad or the same.

For my beloved United I'm sure it will be a godsend because most of our players can only play about 40 minutes before they are dead on their feet but perhaps other teams aren't so poorly conditioned.

All jokes aside, this has to give the big clubs a reasonably big advantage vs the smaller ones. The likes of City can change half their squad i.e probably their entire forward line and most of their midfield to absolutely batter a smaller side that is valiantly holding them off.

Basically I'm not convinced its a good idea. I understand the rationale behind it but I think that most clubs will just use it to give them a competitive advantage rather than to rest players a bit more during what is an ever increasing game load.

 

[McBain]

Great, more opportunity for teams to time waste.

 

[robfosters]

Terrible decision. Benefits big clubs far too much.

Also, if we’re talking ten possible subs a game, it’s time for a stop clock. Injury time will be a nightmare

 

[MooMoo444]

Subs should happen during play unless its the keeper. The benefit of having a fresh player on the field comes with a little risk of playing with 10 for a few secs. Also avoids time wasting \o/

 

[omnomnom]

It’s still on 3 occasions and half time. It won’t make a difference to time.

 

[dannyjo22]

The likes of City can change half their squad i.e probably their entire forward line and most of their midfield to absolutely batter a smaller side that is valiantly holding them off.

The likes of United can do the same, it's not Citys fault that United couldn't build a team to save their lives despite the investment. If this was 1999 I bet you wouldn't be saying that. You know, now you can bring through all that terrific youth talent we kept hearing about, that hasn't delivered since 1999

It's a good idea if it stops the top 4 whinging about being a little tired while having a 350m wage bill.

 

[omnomnom]

I mean if the likes of Everton hadn’t had a mess of a transfer policy they’d be fine with it. At the end of the day it has to be voted in.

 

[fez]

The likes of United can do the same, it's not Citys fault that United couldn't build a team to save their lives despite the investment. If this was 1999 I bet you wouldn't be saying that. You know, now you can bring through all that terrific youth talent we kept hearing about, that hasn't delivered since 1999

It's a good idea if it stops the top 4 whinging about being a little tired while having a 350m wage bill.

Huh, every team in the league can do it... its just going to benefit the big team more and the likes of City the most. Liverpool are running City close this season but City will get a bigger boost from it than Liverpool because they have a much better squad outside the first XI.

 

[BaZ87]

Huh, every team in the league can do it... its just going to benefit the big team more and the likes of City the most. Liverpool are running City close this season but City will get a bigger boost from it than Liverpool because they have a much better squad outside the first XI.

Is this true anymore? It's flown under the radar a bit but City's squad is no longer as deep as it once was and I think people believe City's squad is deeper than it actually is because they've got a load of very similar players in Gundogan, KDB, Bernardo, Foden, Grealish & maybe even Mahrez who can play in lots of different positions, artificially making their squad look deeper than it is. If KDB's playing in a midfield 3, he can't also be cover for City's front line or vice versa for Foden.

Unless I've missed anybody, City's senior midfield and attacking options are Rodri, Fernandinho, Gundogan, KDB, Bernardo, Foden, Grealish, Mahrez, Sterling and Jesus. Is that much stronger than Fabinho, Thiago, Hendo, Milner, Keita, Jones, Elliott, Ox, Minamino, Origi, Dias, Mane, Firmino, Jota & Salah? Now admittedly there's some players in that Liverpool squad that are at the very end of their time at the club but even if you discount them, I'm not sure you can argue City's is stronger, let alone much stronger. It's a very different make-up with our squad more balanced in terms of x midfielders and y forwards, compared to City's of 2 holding mids & 2 out and out forwards and then a load in between.

 

[JamesH85]

Is this true anymore? It's flown under the radar a bit but City's squad is no longer as deep as it once was and I think people believe City's squad is deeper than it actually is because they've got a load of very similar players in Gundogan, KDB, Bernardo, Foden, Grealish & maybe even Mahrez who can play in lots of different positions, artificially making their squad look deeper than it is. If KDB's playing in a midfield 3, he can't also be cover for City's front line or vice versa for Foden.

Unless I've missed anybody, City's senior midfield and attacking options are Rodri, Fernandinho, Gundogan, KDB, Bernardo, Foden, Grealish, Mahrez, Sterling and Jesus. Is that much stronger than Fabinho, Thiago, Hendo, Milner, Keita, Jones, Elliott, Ox, Minamino, Origi, Dias, Mane, Firmino, Jota & Salah? Now admittedly there's some players in that Liverpool squad that are at the very end of their time at the club but even if you discount them, I'm not sure you can argue City's is stronger, let alone much stronger. It's a very different make-up with our squad more balanced in terms of x midfielders and y forwards, compared to City's of 2 holding mids & 2 out and out forwards and then a load in between.

I agree, there far far less between squads right now, infact is closer than it has ever been and Liverpool's squad is superior to City's up top.

This is a change that is obviously going to benefit the larger and better squads but it's also a good change when clubs are fighting across 3-4 competitions a season.

It's gives a new unpredictability to the last 15-20 mins of all prem games, something that maybe exciting for fans.

 

[fez]

Is this true anymore?

Its probably not quite the gulf I suggested but I would say that City still have more game changers in their "2nd XI" than Liverpool. Perhaps Liverpool have more variety to change it up though. Still seems a bit rotten on the smaller teams in the league in my opinion.

 

[dannyjo22]

If you don't want it to be rotten on the smaller teams let's have a wage and opening cap. Otherwise it doesn't really matter if you have 3 or 11 subs. The top 4-6 have always been protected to some extent. Man City with 3 subs in the same result against Norwich with 5 subs. The only difference is the players might not be subjected to as much toll on the body (if you even believe this is an issue for injuries).

 

[omnomnom]

Its probably not quite the gulf I suggested but I would say that City still have more game changers in their "2nd XI" than Liverpool. Perhaps Liverpool have more variety to change it up though. Still seems a bit rotten on the smaller teams in the league in my opinion.

I disagree. A lot of Liverpools 2nd 11 go under the radar. If they played the usual line up now they’d have a bench with Jota, Minamini and Diaz on it. They are all big game changers and superior to the likes of Jesus and Grealish.

 

[fez]

If you don't want it to be rotten on the smaller teams let's have a wage and opening cap. Otherwise it doesn't really matter if you have 3 or 11 subs. The top 4-6 have always been protected to some extent. Man City with 3 subs in the same result against Norwich with 5 subs. The only difference is the players might not be subjected to as much toll on the body (if you even believe this is an issue for injuries).

Only fair way is to link the number of subs you get to squad quality. City and Liverpool get 1. Chelsea get 2 and United get 7.

 

[BaZ87]

I think the advantage this gives bigger clubs is slightly overplayed. Has there been a material change in other Leagues that have adopted 5 subs? Obviously the financial troubles at Barca have been a factor in their struggles but La Liga's been more competitve than before, similarly Serie A and I see no change in the Bundesliga or Ligue 1*.

It's not the ideal solution but something had to give. It might be an exception but Liverpool could potentially play 63 games this season and with most of our squad full internationals, with international games you're looking at 70+ games in a season. That's ridiculous and it's only going to get worse. The Champions League is getting bigger and we're getting more and more international fixtures. With the World Cup in the winter we're going to have a condensed season again next season but it's ok, the players will at least get this summer off though, right? Nope. UEFA have taken advantage of the situation and wedged 4(?) rounds of the stupid Nations League into the summer where the WC would have been.

Unfortunately nobody wants to give an inch. The small 14 don't want to cut the PL to 18 sides (as it was always meant to), the EFL don't want to give up the League Cup despite everybody complaining that the big sides take the **** in it but still end up winning it each year, UEFA aren't cutting their fixtures and are creating more International's to compete with FIFA and likewise FIFA aren't cutting back and want to create a Club tournament to compete with UEFA.

*Yes I know PSG didn't win the League last season but that was a one off, this season has just been a return to the norm.

 

[Fluffybob]

Only benefits the bigger teams, more timewasting options, should have been reinstated.

 

[omnomnom]

Only benefits the bigger teams, more timewasting options, should have been reinstated.

Absolute nonsense. Firstly, if there were more time wasting opportunities then that benefits the bottom 10 and secondly as has already been explained it’s over 3 stoppages and half to me. You can’t sun 5 players individually.

 

[Tombstone]

Also, if we’re talking ten possible subs a game, it’s time for a stop clock. Injury time will be a nightmare

It is indeed time for a stop clock, not because of the 5 sub rule but simply because. Time wasting is rife now , even more so this season with games being stopped everytime someone "conveniently" sits down with an "injury"

 

[McBain]

It'll still waste time, it takes longer to sub 2 players at a time than it does 1.

It doesn't matter if the game only stops 3 times, for 5 total subs it'll take longer than 3, therefore an opportunity to time waste which you know every team will take advantage of.

You could argue it's the same for everyone but that doesn't stop it being incredibly irritating.

 

[HangTime]

It's up to the officials to add on the appropriate amount of stoppage time, so if handled properly at worst it should just mean the same amount of playtime with the match lasting perhaps 30-60s longer.

Personally I want it aligned to UEFA competitions, that makes the most sense to me so it is consistent.