500MM F4L - Possible V-Spec Question!

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Hi All

After buying a wide angle lens i will be looking at upgrading my Sigma 170 - 500 lens....hopefully to a Canon 500 F4L

I realise these are very very expensive and am going to take a while to think about it before i take the plunge but i was wondering if anyone could fill me in on the 1.4 and 2X converters that you can get.

I have a 40D, and if i do go ahead will be looking at the 500 F4L

Will the converters work, will i loose any quality, F Stops, etc etc

I do a fair amount of wildlife photography and really enjoy it...although i do not do it as a profession or really sell any pictures...as of yet

Any advice on the Lens, and converters would be very welcome

Many Thanks

Nick
 
The teleconverters will lose you a stop of light for the 1.4x, 2 stops for the 2x. The 2x will thus mean you're at f8 and beyond focusing capabilities of any canon camera!

Id stick with just the 1.4x, you will still be able to focus and it also loses you significantly less quality than the 2x. Very good bit of kit, not to mention that because of the crop sensor on the 40D you've got the FoV of 1120mm with the 1.4x on it!
 
cool glad you recommended him, im a member on the Canon forums and people say he is very good! i have got a couple of quotes from him before so will ask him again on this one!

Many Thanks again
 
Yes I've bought from him too and would recommend him highly, just be aware that you will receive an American warranty. Whether that makes a difference should you ever need to get something fixed, I don't know.

On a similar topic, has anyone bought from him recently? I was wondering how his prices compare now that the pound is much weaker against the doller?
 
I just bought a 580EXII form him last week for £259 delivered (£249 without). In comparison it's £399 from a well-known highstreet store or it can be had online for around £289.
 
Hi All

After buying a wide angle lens i will be looking at upgrading my Sigma 170 - 500 lens....hopefully to a Canon 500 F4L

I realise these are very very expensive and am going to take a while to think about it before i take the plunge but i was wondering if anyone could fill me in on the 1.4 and 2X converters that you can get.

I have a 40D, and if i do go ahead will be looking at the 500 F4L

Will the converters work, will i loose any quality, F Stops, etc etc

I do a fair amount of wildlife photography and really enjoy it...although i do not do it as a profession or really sell any pictures...as of yet

Any advice on the Lens, and converters would be very welcome

Many Thanks

Nick

Nick.

40D on a 500 F4 is definitely in the ballpark of long lens wildlife photography, almost as sharp as a 300 F2.8, focus and IS to die for.
Its pretty much the staple kit for most wildlife photographers.

If you are serious about it then it'd be the best investment you could make, these things hold their value like gold. I've seen 4-5 year old models go for £700-800 cheaper than the brand new one!

I would however say, (having had a fair amount of experience using such lenses on different bodies) that you'd get the most out of it on a 1D series body. Not so much because of the IQ, but because the way the 1D bodies drive big lenses. The autofocus is bonkers and these lenses were designed to be used by such bodies.
I do however understand that this game is very expensive and the lens would be an amazing upgrade, however i'd seriously consider picking up a second hand 1D MkIIn or 1D MkIII if possible to get the most from this lens.
Or even better a 1Ds MkII as there are some very good deals to be had on them if you know where to look. Either way you'll still be impressed by it :)

Regarding tele-converters, all the big Canon primes, (200 F2, 300 F2.8 400 F2.8, 400 DO, 500 F4, 600 F4, 800 F5.6) will take the 1.4x converter with practically no reduction in image quality. You have to be a real pixel peeper to notice and nobody can really tell.
You lose 1 stop and on a 500 F4 the focus will slow down a tad, but its giving you 700mm which is quite a long way, even wide open at F5.6 you'll notice practically no loss in IQ.

With a 2x converter, things start to get a little desperate, I survived with a 2x converter on a 300 F2.8 for around a year and a half before I bought a 600 F4. And it was pretty difficult, especially for focus critical action stuff.
The 300 wasn't *that* bad, but a 2x converter on a 500 or 600mm lens really does start to get desperate. You'll only have 1AF point (on a 40D you lose AF altogether *I think) Contrast colour and sharpness all suffer quite badly, and you start to get funny patterns in the bokeh.
Obviously you lose 2 stops, so wide open you get F8, but to get any kind of decent sharpness you really need to stop down to F10-F12, you can get the contrast back in PP, but images lack the same quality of the standard 500mm lens. Shooting wildlife in morning/evening light at F10 and F12 obviously presents nightmare problems with shutter speed.
That said, I have seen some great images with the 500/600 and a 2x, (I even did my moon pictures with a 1.4 AND 2.0x stacked, however you can't see the colour loss because their is none!)
I only ever use a 2x if i'm desperate.

Also something to take into consideration is decent support. A long lens like a 500 really does take some getting used to, many people hate them at first and struggle to get good results.
Depending on what sort of thing you want to shoot, you can't really go wrong with a Wimberley head, they're expensive (£500) however its the only way you can really use the lens for long periods of time without breaking your back. The biggest ballhead capable of handling such a lens costs the same anyway (Arca swiss), so you may as well go with the Wimberley.
A good carbon fiber tripod will also help, its not much good having £6-7ks worth of lens on a £50 tripod. A Gitzo 3 series (3530LS) is about perfect for a 500mm lens, nice and light and very rigid, the vibration reduction qualities of the Gitzo's really do make a difference. I thought it was all a gimmick but it really made a difference. I have a 5541LS which is very big but its so well made and a real joy to use. Also quite easy to strip down and clean if you use it in water/sand often.

Er, apart from that get that credit card swiped!

Just realised how much i've written :eek: been printing and mounting pictures all day, on my day off, all that 3M Photo weld spray must be giving me insomnia!
 
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A good carbon fiber tripod will also help, its not much good having £6-7ks worth of lens on a £50 tripod. A Gitzo 3 series (3530LS) is about perfect for a 500mm lens, nice and light and very rigid, the vibration reduction qualities of the Gitzo's really do make a difference.

That's good news, I thought about making a "what tripod?" thread, but just walked into a Poole based warehouse dealer at the weekend in the end and picked up the 3530. So far I'm impressed, its a little short but I'm using it with the Manfrotto 393 head which adds a good few additional inches in height. The 393 is a good poor mans Wimberly imo :p It weighs in at around £100 in comparison to the rather silly £500 Wimberly, the only downside that I can see is that its a big chunk of metal to cart about.
 
That's good news, I thought about making a "what tripod?" thread, but just walked into a Poole based warehouse dealer at the weekend in the end and picked up the 3530. So far I'm impressed, its a little short but I'm using it with the Manfrotto 393 head which adds a good few additional inches in height. The 393 is a good poor mans Wimberly imo :p It weighs in at around £100 in comparison to the rather silly £500 Wimberly, the only downside that I can see is that its a big chunk of metal to cart about.

The wimberley is way overpriced and it really annoys me.. Its $499 in the US and when it gets imported its £500 :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I personally don't think its worth £500, however its such a well made and smooth piece of kit, I'd struggle to be without it!

Manfrotto 393 is a good head, so long as it makes the lens nice and weightless - there are a couple which are all very good, although the 393 is by far the best value one i've seen..
Its just gear tarts like me who have to have the nice American ones :p saying that I did struggle with a £35 ball head and a little manfrotto tripod for ages before I splashed out on a Gitzo 5 series and wimberley...
 
V-Spec: wow thankyou for the write up!! i have read it through once but am going to need to re read it again. If you have MSN or some form of contact would it be possible to speak to you regarding this?

Again, Big thanks

Nick
 
That's good news, I thought about making a "what tripod?" thread, but just walked into a Poole based warehouse dealer at the weekend in the end and picked up the 3530. So far I'm impressed, its a little short but I'm using it with the Manfrotto 393 head which adds a good few additional inches in height. The 393 is a good poor mans Wimberly imo :p It weighs in at around £100 in comparison to the rather silly £500 Wimberly, the only downside that I can see is that its a big chunk of metal to cart about.

I use a 3540XLS with a 393 head and its a good setup. As you say though, the head is a big (and annoying shape) chunk of metal and occasionally I feel like I would be better off with a good ballhead like a RRS BH-55 as it would be easier to use for both landscapes and wildlife.
 
I use a 3540XLS with a 393 head and its a good setup. As you say though, the head is a big (and annoying shape) chunk of metal and occasionally I feel like I would be better off with a good ballhead like a RRS BH-55 as it would be easier to use for both landscapes and wildlife.

When I commented to the guy in the shop that the 3530LS was a bit short, he went and pulled out the 3540XLS. Its ENOURMOUS! You'd need a step ladder to use a camera on it when fully extended! :p
 
When I commented to the guy in the shop that the 3530LS was a bit short, he went and pulled out the 3540XLS. Its ENOURMOUS! You'd need a step ladder to use a camera on it when fully extended! :p

Hehe, yeah its a bit big.:D I can use it in an emergency and throw a plastic sheet over it and turn it into a tipi if i needed to as i can stand up straight under it when its fully extended. In all seriousness though, the reason I went for that one was so I could use it downhill while shooting up into trees without having to bend my back.
 
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