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5080 & 5090 Coil Whine Thread

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Everyone's favourite thread is back for another generation! The idea is to gain a wider understanding of coil whine and hopefully let buyers make a more informed purchase decision. This time around we will apply some of the learnings from last gen and try to make the testing less open to interpretation. You never know perhaps the issue is now fully resolved and this thread can die a joyous death without going to 40+ pages!

So as you get your new 5080/5090 next week please report back on the AIB partner and model and how bad/annoying/none existent your card coil whine is.

Here is the FAQ;
What is Coil Whine?
Coil whine is a high-pitched buzzing or whining sound that occurs when an electrical current passes through electromagnetic coils. It's caused by the coils vibrating at specific frequencies.

How do I test my card?
Make sure your PSU is within spec of the card. If your PC isn't silent already, turn your fans down until it becomes inaudible. Load up a heavy work load game at Native 4k, DO NOT use DLSS. Make sure the framerate is uncapped. Good heavy workload games from the previous gen are Red Dead Redemption 2 and Cyberpunk 2033.

Can you give me an example of coil whine?
Absolutely, these are two of my early 4090 cards here and here.

Is it my PSU not the card?
There are always outliers, but generally speaking with the 40 series, as long as your PSU is within spec replacing the PSU will do very little/nothing.

Can I use hot glue to silence the coils on the card?
We had a few members try it, again generally speaking this did not do anything and voided the warranty on the card. This is not recommended.

Is it riskier buying a day 1 card for Coil Whine?
Yes. Several manufacturer's including Asus and MSI made revisions on their 40 series cards that significantly reduced/stopped coil whine around 9 months in. From day 1 experience the less complex PCB boards such as the Zotac, Inno3D faired a lot better due to using cheaper capacitor's (and less of them). Gigabyte also did well from launch, likely because they used a lot more thermal pads that the other partners.

Is Coil Whine even an issue, can't you just wear head phones?
We all hear coil whine differently depending on a number of factors. Also as we get older generally we become less susceptible to it (though it isn't always the case). As for head phone point, that is often brought up in these threads; many of us have invested heavily in our silent PCs, have PCs located in public places around other people (such as the living room) or simply wish to use high end speakers and do not wish for the experience to be compromised.

Where can I read about the problems with the 40 series?
The 4080/4090 Coil Whine Thread can be located here.
 
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Thank you this is an important thread. Coil whine ruins the gaming experience for those of us who make significant efforts to quiet their PC fans only to start hearing this whine.

With regards to power supplies anecdotally I replaced my BeQuiet 1kw PSU with a Corsair ATX3.1 1kw supply recently and coil whine on my existing 3090 was noticeably reduced. Very much pot luck but it can make a difference.

Thank you. I'm not experienced with the 30 series enough to say about the PSU. But last gen we had members swap out PSU after PSU for the 40 series and I don't think it fixed anyone's coil whine. I think if its like that gen the juice isn't worth the squeeze. The odds (like the glue method) are just too far against you. You'd be better swapping the card IMO. Although if the PSU is on the cheaper side or close or under spec then I don't doubt it could cause additional problems. :)
 
If the data this time round shows within spec PSUs replacements work at eliminating coil whine, I'll for sure update the OP. But the data overwhelmingly showed it not to be the case with the 40 series. Nearly everyone who eliminated coil whine did so by buying another card. I'm sure some members that tried swapping multiple PSU units will chime in. :)

Another avenue that seemed to have little success was coil whine changing profile over time (outside of the first few days, where there is a legitimate chance IMO). If anyone has experience with coil whine changing over a longer than one week period of time, I'd love to hear about that too.
 
most people who can blow this amount of money on the card are prob older and more likely to have age related hearing damage so those high frequency noises arent audible so i doubt its going to be an issue for most of the people here

It's an odd one. I mean those ones I linked to in the OP sounded like a beard trimmer going constantly. If you can hear a beard trimmer you could hear my early 4090's lol.
 
in the ones you linked i can only hear the noise on the 1st one with the phone jammed up the cards arse and cant hear anything on the second

I could hear those through my whole ground floor, through multiple rooms

I remember when I had a plug that made a faint whistling noise. It drove me crazy so I got an electrician to fix it, my parents couldn't hear anything even right up to it. I'm not young though or anything (40). I guess we all have different hearing sensitivity/went to a different amount of Metalica concerts.
 
Exact PSU model I got too. Seems to be a good one for lowering whine then (ok sample of 2 but...)


Guru3D says the 5090 FE has bad coil whine:

Oh no. If all 5090s have bad coil whine I'm 100% out. MSI and Asus changed their capacitors, I can't see them going back to ones that caused them so many RMAs.
 
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Unfortunately I wish this was true but alas I can still hear it. What would be a bigger plus if I didn't hear the missus whine that drives me insane.

This isn't looking good at all for people like us.

It's not unreasonable though given the amount they charge and Jensen acknowledges himself the expensive setups these GPUs are going into.
 
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@Hostile_18 I mean it's kinda disheartening you know. The highest release price for just the entry level. About 95% certainty that most of us will not be able to secure one on release day and to top it off coil whine issues?

Only us hardcore enthusiasts would put up with this most normal people and rightly so would give it a hard pass.

But I know you, myself and others are going HAM as we always do.
I just don't get how it can go this bad since last gen they fixed the issue with revisions.

Do they really think the cost of using cheaper capacitors off sets the people returning? I mean maybe it does, but damn for 2k you should not be cutting corners. Same with the dog bone packaging, no way is that an eco friendly move when the card is 575w lol.
 
If you need a small card its great, but I think the majority of us would rather have a cooler and quieter card. The partners are lucky Nvidia didn't hit a home run with this risk IMO.

I did listen to Debauer's coil whine and its not too bad. Probably at the limit of my acceptable.
 
Yeah I watched and he also said it wasn’t as bad as the early 4090 Strix cards… whether it’s bearable might depend on the game.

Pushing high frames at native and pulling 600w could be grizzly.

I always undervolt (which can also help with coil whine). I've time marked this video which talks about under volting the 5090. Seems quite promising, in that you can take it to stock 4090 levels without much performance loss.

 
I have been told that MSI cards are potentially the go-to this gen for reduced coin whine as they are (reportedly) using a different choke than other manufacturers.

Until we get some tear down videos take it with a pinch of salt but fingers crossed.

It's believable given they improved the 40 series cards half way through (as did Asus).
 
Looks like theyre using the uprated ones. (suprim pictured)

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Hardware Unboxed said there was no coil whine on this, but some small electrical noise. They said it was better than the FE.

The Wattage over clocked goes to 650w though lol.
 
In my experience the card profile can change in the first week, but very rarely after that.
 
There’s also sub-concious recognition bias - your mind ends up tuning out sounds that are irrelevant, like fridges and boilers.

People can also spoil things for themselves. I recently bought a little vase thing which I noticed had a very, very minor defect. My OCD tendencies meant I couldn’t put down that out of my mind until I had ‘dealt’ with the defect, one way of another. I realised I was being ridiculous and brute forced myself to just deal with it - uncomfortable for me - and, as soon as the ‘exchange / return period’ ended… I haven’t thought about it since :rolleyes: :p

I have the same thing with OCD and item condition actually. But what you did is the right way to deal with it, replacing things sets a precedent to have to do that next time so it makes it worse in the long run. I have a quite involved media setup now, huge speakers, lots of parts etc and everything has small blemishes if you go into the detail I do, but I've got miles better at tolerating it all because I'm no longer trying to keep everything perfect! .. and lets face it to everyone else its pristine lol.

But I would argue coil whine is something different, that actually takes away enjoyment. I have over two grand of speakers and I play cinematic games. If there is a quiet scene in game or I go to a menu without music to hear that constant whine is annoying as anything to me. I genuinely get more pleasure been allowed to enjoy quiet moments as much as loud ones etc. Getting the experience the director intented is very important to me.
 
I hope you don’t suffer with it too much - how you’ve described it there is exactly how things get carried away and snowball into OCD… and you only really become self-aware after you notice it’s become a problem. I try and limit this behaviour to ‘things that matter’ - it can be hard to manage though.

I’m 100% with you that heavy coil whine is not acceptable and I can’t tune it out, but some coil whine is OK and I’m willing to be tolerant. My current card has it a little bit in some games but it’s quite hard to hear over fans - when playing a game, my mind will eventually focus on the game and tune out the fans and coil whine entirely. Everyone’s ability to do this will vary, but you’ve got to allow it a bit with a high power card.

Yeah it can manifest in a few different ways in life, but knowing the right way to deal with things (and practice) is the best way to get better. :)

Oh yeah I absolutely agree with you about accepting some. You know if its bad because the noise is sharper and more prevalent than just mild coil whine noise. Most of the 40 series launch cards were pretty bad, but most of the manufacturers made changes and reduced it significantly. The differences between launch Strix and Suprims and their later editions are wild. It's unfair when you think about it really because everyone pays the same, yet one group gets a much better experience.

What I really want to know is how the fe coil whine will be because its significantly cheaper. The 40db fans don't sound to appealing either. 35db on the fe were fine, I'm not sure if it got any where near max speed though in my case though. Like I have three 140mm fans below the gpu 5 inchs away from the graphics card.
 
Seems like the consensus is MSI is a 'safer' choice when it comes down to coil whine.. But their warranty puts me off (pinned post).. Have we had any indication whether the Astral/TUF will be using the 'revised' capacitors (used in later 4090 Strix's?).. Decisions, decisions..
Still very early days. For all we know the Astral is using some kind of revised/different capacitors, as the videos I've seen while not inaudible are certainly significantly better than launch Asus cards (see post 50 for the difference). :)
 
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