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http://www.neutralday.com/sigma-50mm-f1-4-ex-dg-hsm-field-notes-comparison-with-canon-ef-50mm-f1-4/

Just using the above for reasoning.

I've been messing around with my 50mm for nigh on 4 years now (nifty fifty) and it's ace. I've got some really nice photos with it, one of which is framed on the wall behind me! Annoyingly my hard drive has them all on and I don't have a PC compatible with the drive to get them off! Grr!

Anyway, I've been thinking of getting various lenses when I've cleared my debts at the end of the year (yay!). I know I need, and I do mean need, a 200mm lens but that's a lens I'd use less. I've decided to improve the quality of what I have, and concentrate on that side of things, then at a later date get new lenses for other lengths.

So, which 50mm would you get? 1.2 is absolutely NOT in the list sadly :( It's the Sigma 1.4 or the Canon 1.4 to choose from.

Pretty much all comparison tests I've found have pros and cons for both lenses. Canon has better contrast apparently (according to the above link) and Sigma have better sharpness at 1.4-2.0 (which I've seen mentioned on various tests). My main concern is that I have seen a lot of people mention that the old Sigma problem of soft lenses rears it's head occasionally.

Would I be right in thinking that the Canon is the safer choice and cheaper all rounder, but it's worth taking the risk on the Sigma as a good copy will be sharper?

On a side note, the below are lenses I have and wonder about upgrades:

Sigma 105 macro - I love this. It's VERY sharp but has poor build quality. From what I've read, the upgrade would be the Canon 100mm macro. Is that still the case?

Sigma 12-24 - I really like this lens, but it's not 100% sharp throughout. I've really no idea what to upgrade to, but at the time of purchase the Canon 17-40 was the alternative.

Sigma 70-300APO - I hate this lens. It's so soft in places it's just far too unreliable. I only got this to bridge the focal length gap I had at the time. This is why I'm needing the 200mm lens. Pretty much any of the Canon L series would be better than this rubbish :D


Does anyone have any opinions on these lenses and upgrades? I'd be interested from real peoples experience with their lenses, rather than the copious test shots and articles I've read tonight (starting to go cross-eyed!).

Also worth noting is that I'm using a 30D which I love, but I expect that in around a year I'll upgrade to a newer model of this, or if funds allow, a 5DmkII or whatever is the shiny new version of it when I have funds (I still have a guitar to buy too!).

All help GREATLY appreciated. I'll be back about 7pm tomorrow to check you lovely peoples replies :D
 
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Someone on here picked up a sigma 70-200 2.8 for £400 on ebay, apparently they go for this price a lot. That would do for your 200mm.

I would go for which ever lens is sharpest, you can change the contrast in PS much easier / better than you can sharpness.
 
Have a look at the Sigma 35 1.4, apparantly it's ahead of the 50 in terms of focussing issues (front/back focussing) and it also might be a better focal length (near 50mm ff equivalent).
 
Not sure on Canon but over on NikonCafe there are 2 large threads for images taken with the Nikon 50mm f/1.4G and the Sigma f/1.4. I have to say I'm leaning towards the Sigma for wide open shots, something about the images I've seen are much more pleasing than the Nikon. However people do say the Nikon is far sharper stepped down, but then who buys a f/1.4 to use at f/8?
I just sold my Sigma 70-300mm, I can't say it was a bad lens, after 200mm yes maybe a bit soft, but it served its purpose and I've got images with it that I love. As a cheap telephoto/macro I don't think there was much that could rival it for the money personally.

Dunks do you mean the Sigma 30mm? It's a DX lens AFAIK but does seem to produce nice images.
 
It was me who got a 70-200 for £400 :)

2 years ago I was exactly where you are.

A single 30D, no lens. Seriously, no lens!!!! Why? it was because i planned for the future, planned for Full Frame.

So the plan was easy, because I had made another rule. Buy it once and buy the best, it was because I had a bunch of half decent/average lenses covering too much the same focal length. So I started again and decide to get the best, and save up.

so it went like this..

I already had

30D, 550EX, Manfrotto 055pro (bet you guys didn't know this lol, I sometimes forget too!)


1 - Canon 50/1.4 (October 2008)

I was torn between the Sigma too, but just a month prior I bought a Sigma 24-70 and it was naff, returned and exchange for another and it also front focused so I lost confidence in the brand.

2 - 16-35L MK1 (March 2009)

Plan was to get the 24-70 first but this came up on TP and it was on my list so I bumped it up. Plus I was still on the 30D so it made sense.

3 - 5Dii (June 2009)

I still remember that day when i got it!

4 - 24-70L (September 2009)

5 - 135L (December 2009)

6 - 85/1.8 (July 2010)

7 - 35/1.4L (August 2010)

8 - Sigma 70-200 APO HSM 2.8 (October 2010)


The only reason I got that sigma was because it was cheap, and it was calibrated. Else I wouldn't have risked it, not even a new one. I find their QC a bit suspect. But if you buy online you get 7 days to test and return anyway.


In terms of your lens path, think long and hard, balance what you want and what you need. Remember it is cheaper to buy it once and buy right.
 
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my 2p

On a side note, the below are lenses I have and wonder about upgrades:

Sigma 105 macro - I love this. It's VERY sharp but has poor build quality. From what I've read, the upgrade would be the Canon 100mm macro. Is that still the case?

the canon 100mm f/2.8 non L is a great lens. I have it, and when my mate stops nicking it then i use it quite a lot. Advantages over the sigma: Better build, no extending barrel, has an optional tripod ring adapter if you wanted to mount a speedlight via a bracket and TTL cable. If funds allow, the new 'L' version has a really good IS included.

Sigma 12-24 - I really like this lens, but it's not 100% sharp throughout. I've really no idea what to upgrade to, but at the time of purchase the Canon 17-40 was the alternative.

If on a crop body then the canon 10-22mm is a very good lens. I had one before moving to FF and loved it. I replaced it with the 17-40mm L you mentioned and still think the 10-22mm was better. Without comparing the two side by side in a controlled enviroment i cant test my theory. If you are on crop and thinking of a mid zoom lens then thing about the 17-50mm f/2.8 by Tamron. My mate has got one and i am very impressed by its quality.

Sigma 70-300APO - I hate this lens. It's so soft in places it's just far too unreliable. I only got this to bridge the focal length gap I had at the time. This is why I'm needing the 200mm lens. Pretty much any of the Canon L series would be better than this rubbish :D

Again i have had this lens and wasnt the best wide open but by f/8 it was suitably sharp for my needs. However as been suggested before the sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 IS a good telephoto zoom. Dont discount the 70-200 f/4 L from canon either
 
Just some thoughts here on the 50mm. I have the Canon f1.4 and to be honest I'm not sure I'd recommend it, not for its optical ability which I think is great but due to it having issues with it's autofocus. Plenty of people have had these issues while the majority probably haven't, I unfortunately have had issues with my AF and would say it's down to bad design by Canon.
If it happens while under warranty, great send it back, if it happens out of warranty it's reasonably easy to fix by taking your lens apart providing your autofocus isn't completely dead. I've done this to my own and it works flawlessly now.
The Sigma, while having no experience with it, I've read it often needs calibrated as it's just not 100% out of the box. Nicer bokeh apparentley and a bit more expensive than the Canon.
If I had to choose now as the Sigma wasn't out when I got my Canon, the chances are I'd get the Sigma, ask me tomorrow and I'd maybe say Canon and hope I didn't get one with AF issues. I think I may also have read recently a 50mm f1.4mkII was in the pipeline but don't hold me to that in case it was a different lens I'm thinking off. :)
 
The 50/1.4 is an OLD lens, as stated in Dpreview, it came out in 1993 and the design is based on Canon's 1971 version !!!! It really does need a refresh out of 50mm line up.

I don't have AF issue with my 50/1.4 and it has served me well, and taken some nice shots from it, but I'd like one that feels more sturdy though….it is still quite cheap in terms of build, I don't like the fact that the front element moves when focusing. Something that the 85/1.8 doesn't do, in fact, none of my primes does that except the 50/1.4.
 
The auto focus on the 1.4 I had was so slow I thought it was faulty. Turns out it wasn't. The build quality is not worthover 3 times the price of a 1.8 and mine was pretty awful until about 2.8 which rendered it pretty pointless.

As raymond said it really needs a refresh for the money they charge for it.
 
However people do say the Nikon is far sharper stepped down, but then who buys a f/1.4 to use at f/8?

You'd be surprised, I use mine when I want something compact regardless of the lighting conditions, I can put my D200 or D700 in my everyday bag with the 50mm on, no hope of them fitting with the 24-70 or 17-55 f/2.8 glass on the front. It's easy to treat it as a low light specialist but it's a lovely little lens in all circumstances and is easy to carry around...
 
You'd be surprised, I use mine when I want something compact regardless of the lighting conditions, I can put my D200 or D700 in my everyday bag with the 50mm on, no hope of them fitting with the 24-70 or 17-55 f/2.8 glass on the front. It's easy to treat it as a low light specialist but it's a lovely little lens in all circumstances and is easy to carry around...

I knew someone would come along and say this :p Yes I agree, although I would say 80-90% of the time it's used near enough wide open.
 
Just about what I said earlier about reading about a 50mm f1.4mkII in the pipeline but wasn't sure. It was this lens that I see an update is expected.

Linky
 
Thanks for all the replies. It looks like what I'd pretty much established lens upgrades wise, is what I should do. Still, I'm torn over the 50mm so I'll have a nose about for comparison shots again later no doubt :D


Just about what I said earlier about reading about a 50mm f1.4mkII in the pipeline but wasn't sure. It was this lens that I see an update is expected.

Linky


Oo this is interesting :p
 
http://photo.net/equipment/canon/ef50/

Is this still the case? I've not seen anyone mention barrel distortion anywhere. I know this page is old as I read it a long time ago, but I'd have thought they'd fix a problem like this or is it the case that if a lens suffers from this it always will until a new model comes out?
 
Just about what I said earlier about reading about a 50mm f1.4mkII in the pipeline but wasn't sure. It was this lens that I see an update is expected.

Linky

Build upgrade. The current 50 f/1.4 from Canon is one of the most unreliable in the lineup.

Didn't know it was that bad. I'd certainly be interested in a Mk2 version.
 
I have the 1.4 no problems so far. I would like an internal focussing lens. How much bulk do you think it will add?
 
Well, just feeling inspired by autumn leaves I thought I'd toddle around with the nifty fifty (and it rained on me :(), and as I was taking a photo of a field, rather randomly a woman pulled up in her car, got out and pulled out a 1DsMKII. I felt quite inadequate with my 30D and non L glass :(

No idea what she was doing as it started raining as she told me, then drove off almost as quickly as she'd appeared. How random.
 
Oo, slight development on this. I was talking about photography to my mum and mentioned I'll get a new lens in February for my birthday and she said she'll buy me the 50mm1.4 for Christmas. Result! :D
 
Slight twist with this, I'm now being bought the Canon 200mm2.8L for Christmas and getting the 50mm myself when I get my back pay in November :)

Things are looking up for the first time in about 6 years. I'm dangerously close to being happy!
 
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