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Spent the best part of yesterday/today looking around the internet but I am generally non the wiser.

Size is probably 55" (certainly no larger) after looking at JL today - 42" currently.
Definitely not curved.
Both the HDR standards required (I.e. REC2020 and Dolby Vision?)
Will eventually be mated with a 4K PC to do some casual gaming on/Plex.

Looking to spend ~£1.2k in the next 6 months.

Looked at the UE55MU8000 in JL today, with £200 off comes to £1399, but Richer Sounds have a OLED55B6V clearance for £1299.

However, both really more than I'm prepared to pay (Esp with £200 for a 4K Blu-Ray player) + 4K Blurays taking it up to £1500 which when the last TV was £450 is quite a bit more already.

I'm prepared to wait (especially as 4K content is early days) for a good deal, but what deals should I be looking for?

Many Thanks.
 
If i was you i would grab a OLED55B6V while you can they wont be around for much longer as they have been replaced by the 2017 B7 which is £2500.
 
In a similar boat myself and funnily enough, I'd literally just been looking at the LG OLED55B6V and that was the conclusion I had reached but I was looking for more opinions.

That said, it seems finding anywhere with one in stock at a decent price (under £1500) is very difficult.
 
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I've got a 55UH850V and to be honest can't complain tho we don't use the 3d much
clean and crisp up scales well ..
for the price it was a very good deal
 
Very happy with my Sony 55XD9305 which is getting its Dolby Vision update soon. They have of course superseded that screen with the XE9305 since I got mine.
 
FreeStream said:
Spent the best part of yesterday/today looking around the internet but I am generally non the wiser.

Size is probably 55" (certainly no larger) after looking at JL today - 42" currently.
Definitely not curved.
Both the HDR standards required (I.e. REC2020 and Dolby Vision?)
Will eventually be mated with a 4K PC to do some casual gaming on/Plex.

Looking to spend ~£1.2k in the next 6 months.

Looked at the UE55MU8000 in JL today, with £200 off comes to £1399, but Richer Sounds have a OLED55B6V clearance for £1299.

However, both really more than I'm prepared to pay (Esp with £200 for a 4K Blu-Ray player) + 4K Blurays taking it up to £1500 which when the last TV was £450 is quite a bit more already.

I'm prepared to wait (especially as 4K content is early days) for a good deal, but what deals should I be looking for?

Many Thanks.
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You've only got a few options considering your budget...

  • UE55MU8000 - As you've already pointed out - but it's not worth it to be honest. I don't believe they have Dolby Vision support. So you may aswell go for a cheaper 55" KS7000 as the difference between this years model and last are almost nonexistent.

  • OLED55B6V - Again, one you've already pointed out. Probably your only option if you want Dolby Vision support near you price point. Fantastic set but OLED is still pricey for some of the issues it has.

  • 55KS7000 - You'll have to hunt for one, sometimes they're up for sale at £899 new. Otherwise you could likely secure one used and pretty mint condition for £600-£700 (Plenty of eBay at the moment). No Dolby Vision support though.
It really comes down to how important is Dolby Vision to you, is it £600-£700 important because that's what you'll be paying over a KS7000 if you pick one up from eBay. OLED is great but you've also got to understand it's weaknesses, personally i sprang for the KS7000 and waiting for OLED peak brightness and issues to be ironed out as it's just not worth paying that much more for a B6 over the price of a KS7000.

I also wouldnt worry about Dolby Vision support, HDR10 is mandated when it comes to 4K Blurays and pretty much all streamed HDR content will have it. Dolby Vision has got a long hard road to catch on, even then i still question whether it will.. Once Dynamic HDR10 is nailed most are going to jump on it due to being an open standard.

flea-rider said:
I've got a 55UH850V and to be honest can't complain tho we don't use the 3d much
clean and crisp up scales well ..
for the price it was a very good deal
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That TV doesn't meet the Ultra HD Premium specs, not even close. Pretty much useless for HDR which he's said is important.
 
Phemo said:
In a similar boat myself and funnily enough, I'd literally just been looking at the LG OLED55B6V and that was the conclusion I had reached but I was looking for more opinions.

That said, it seems finding anywhere with one in stock at a decent price (under £1500) is very difficult.
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Richer Sounds has a few open box/few new in Liverpool and London for £1485.


sprite- said:
*SNIP*
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Dolby Vision isn't that important - I just don't want to be in position two/three years down the line that a Blu-Ray I buy is Dolby Vision only, that would be frustrating...

There are a few UE55KS7000 floating about - none of them appear to be new.

If I were to limit it to this year's crop (So I can get the 5/6 year warranties out of JL/RS) what would I be looking at?

Many Thanks!
 
FreeStream said:
Richer Sounds has a few open box/few new in Liverpool and London for £1485.

Dolby Vision isn't that important - I just don't want to be in position two/three years down the line that a Blu-Ray I buy is Dolby Vision only, that would be frustrating...

There are a few UE55KS7000 floating about - none of them appear to be new.

If I were to limit it to this year's crop (So I can get the 5/6 year warranties out of JL/RS) what would I be looking at?

Many Thanks!
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Yeah you won't be in that position, Dolby Vision is never going to be the primary standard. That's HDR10 and eventually HDR10+, Dolby Vision will just be an extra (and even then, depends how many people are willing to pony up to support it and create content with it).

You really only have the options i put before mate in your price range. The options for Ultra HD Premium Certified TVs or ones that meet the spec are pretty small..

Cheapest i can see the KS7000 new is £999.99 at Reliant Direct. Not purchased from them before.

http://www.reliantdirect.co.uk/Tele...HD-TV-With-Quantum-Dot-Display_UE55KS7000.htm

Curved 7500 version can be hand for £899 if you dont mind a curved TV.

http://www.reliantdirect.co.uk/Tele...ot-Display_UE55KS7500.htm?ne=AQAAAKYAAAAEAjU1
 
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flea-rider said:
strange according to what hifi and there site it is ?
http://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-55UH850V HDR Super: HDR Super mechanism fully supports both Dolby Vision and the Ultra HD Premium. Capable of expressing more than 20 stops of brightness
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Nothing on that page says it's Ultra HD Premium certified.

Unfortunately what you've got isn't even a true 10 bit panel, it's 8 bit with dithering. Equally the peak brightness is no where near.

This TV and model was debated on AVForums quite a bit, as a number of people had bought it and then subsequent found out it had an 8 bit panel with dithering. They weren't happy.

Its what frustrates me about how some people are marketing HDR, they whack "Super HDR!" in the description and rightly so as a customer you think you've bought a TV which can do HDR properly. Unfortunately, you haven't. It may be compatible but does have the panel or peak brightness required to actually make HDR worth it. The LG panel is likely around 350 nits max, you really need 1000+ nits like the Samsung as thats what HDR content is mastered in, they literally make it for that kind of brightness. Also a true 10 bit panel. OLEDs can still be certified with a lower peak brightness but thats purely due to the nature of OLED and its true blacks.
 
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devils advocate :
if your purchase could be six monthe out, then the new b7 will have dopped in price, and with increased LG manufacturing capacity could be in the £1200 domain.
(brexit and exchange rates wild card)
sprite- said:
The options for Ultra HD Premium Certified TV
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I think we should pay less attention to this, it is being used to justify a premium price (manipulation) ! within its scope you can have a wide variety of HDR tone mapping implementations
(see Vincents/Mr hdtvtest utube), which may not give the picture you hope for under your viewing conditions. (oled for low light, led for day ).

Even the genuine 10 bit vs 8+frcc market segmentation, the rtings and other review say frc sets like the 850v do not have banding/posturization.

I would be tempted to go dx750 or dx802, debateably down market, and purchase again in a couple of years, when oled or genuine qled's are cheaper/proven
 
jpaul said:
devils advocate :
if your purchase could be six monthe out, then the new b7 will have dopped in price, and with increased LG manufacturing capacity could be in the £1200 domain.
(brexit and exchange rates wild card)

I think we should pay less attention to this, it is being used to justify a premium price (manipulation) ! within its scope you can have a wide variety of HDR tone mapping implementations
(see Vincents/Mr hdtvtest utube), which may not give the picture you hope for under your viewing conditions. (oled for low light, led for day ).

Even the genuine 10 bit vs 8+frcc market segmentation, the rtings and other review say frc sets like the 850v do not have banding/posturization.

I would be tempted to go dx750 or dx802, debateably down market, and purchase again in a couple of years, when oled or genuine qled's are cheaper/proven
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Ultra HD Premium Certification or the ability of the set to meet the requirements set out by it (Believe Sony have one but didnt go for certification) is absolutely important and shouldnt be ignored if you want a HDR experience with your new TV. Anyone buying a 4K TV and truely wants to take advantage of it, needs to buy one in line with it.

I'm not surely exactly what point you're trying to make when talking about tone mapping? I just hope what you're not saying is that depending on the tone mapping algorithm used it means a TV with a peak brightness of say 350 could deliver an impressive HDR experience.. As that would be silly.

TV position and viewing conditions are a general consideration for any TV and has been since the draw of TV time. Even LCD-LED is going to need a position without a great deal of direct sunlight if you have calibrated it properly.
 
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hornetstinger said:
so what 55" OLED HDR 10bit panel is good one?

Wouldn't buy Samsung, as I've had a couple of LCD/Plasma by them.
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B6, it's a great set.. Obviously you can go for this years money and then drop a large wedge on Panasonics offering but depends on your budget. Everyone selling OLED sets are selling them with LG panels, although Panasonic really to make some cracking use of it.
 
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sprite- said:
I'm not surely exactly what point you're trying to make when talking about tone mapping?
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This HDR Tone-Mapping Explained: Sony A1, LG C7 vs Panasonic OLED TV characteristics of the hdr rendering you cannot counter
With SDR and multi-point colour/gamma settings you can pull the picture in, but (ok you could return your oled to JL if it was not the improvement you hoped for) for HDR
not sure you can accurately calibrate (the word calibrate may even be inappropriate since there is no spec, how to map the 2000nit sor so mastering onto the screen)
 
jpaul said:
This HDR Tone-Mapping Explained: Sony A1, LG C7 vs Panasonic OLED TV characteristics of the hdr rendering you cannot counter
With SDR and multi-point colour/gamma settings you can pull the picture in, but (ok you could return your oled to JL if it was not the improvement you hoped for) for HDR
not sure you can accurately calibrate (the word calibrate may even be inappropriate since there is no spec, how to map the 2000nit sor so mastering onto the screen)
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I've watched that video before bud. Again, exactly what point are you trying to make?
 
hornetstinger said:
what about ratios like PC UW? I think I would prefer UW TV rather than 16:9 as it's mostly used for movies.
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Don't know I'm afraid mate, last time I saw an UW TV it was a Phillips years ago. I don't "think" any of the manufactures do UW TVs anymore. At least not normal consumer TVs, you may find some 100+ inch ones. You'll have to have a search.
 
sprite- said:
I've watched that video before bud. Again, exactly what point are you trying to make?
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there is an immaturity to the HDR market and will need a dynamic meta data standard like dolby vision, HDR10+, before HDR would give me the PQ I want, so I would not
make the HDR premium certification a must have.

I have only really been satisfied with SDR rendering with the panel technology and calibration facilitioes offered over the last couple of years, finally got rid of problems like squashed blacks/lack of black detail; I am warey of investing too much into HDR, in its infancy, to be plagued again by Tone mapping issues.
 
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