5600x to 12600KF?

[elde]

BIOS: 2.H2

5+2 VRM with proper heatsink, sufficient low side mosfet and without doubling (it could have been a 10 phase for marketing) is efficient enough (the voltage controller supports only max 8 anyway), it can serve the 5900X well enough. Your point regarding the 18 phase is valid however the price difference currently is 500% (£80 vs £400)

Price:

11400F + Z490 TOMAHAWK = 140+ 120 = £260
5600X + X470 Pro Carbon= 260 + 80 = £340
12600KF + Z690 Pro = 240 + 200 = £440 (not mentioning DDR5 if needed)

Besides the Z490 was released over 2 years later than the X470. Intel has just started to wake up (finally). I loved my 4770K and 6700K back in the time

 

[Joxeon]

BIOS: 2.H2

5+2 VRM with proper heatsink, sufficient low side mosfet and without doubling (it could have been a 10 phase for marketing) is efficient enough (the voltage controller supports only max 8 anyway), it can serve the 5900X well enough. Your point regarding the 18 phase is valid however the price difference currently is 500% (£80 vs £400)

Price:

11400F + Z490 TOMAHAWK = 140+ 120 = £260
5600X + X470 Pro Carbon= 260 + 80 = £340
12600KF + Z690 Pro = 240 + 200 = £440 (not mentioning DDR5 if needed)

Besides the Z490 was released over 2 years later than the X470. Intel has just started to wake up (finally). I loved my 4770K and 6700K back in the time

While it looks like its pcie gen 4.0 if you run GPU-Z and put some load on the card it will show its really running gen 3.0

 

[Vulture]

Simple answer - not worth, because when you consider price of motherboard, cooler etc you need for Intel cpu, you could buy 5900x, or even better than all of that, 3d cache versions that will come soon. Anyone who own AM4 motherboard would be best to stick to AMD cpu-s and save money for better gpu because gpu gives biggest boost.

 

[HangTime]

Nope based on the fact you need a new mobo.

 

[cliffy]

No zen 3d till 2022 though as it's delayed because of TSMC. wonder if it will use intrachip microchannel cooling?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8rQIcPVvoY

You realise it is 2022 next week. Do not think Zen 3D was ever supposed to launch in 2021, i think people got confused because it was announced it would be going into production at the end of 2021. Zen 3D will be launched next week at CES (4th) and be available not long after

 

[Joxeon]

Simple answer - not worth, because when you consider price of motherboard, cooler etc you need for Intel cpu, you could buy 5900x, or even better than all of that, 3d cache versions that will come soon. Anyone who own AM4 motherboard would be best to stick to AMD cpu-s and save money for better gpu because gpu gives biggest boost.

You realise it is 2022 next week. Do not think Zen 3D was ever supposed to launch in 2021, i think people got confused because it was announced it would be going into production at the end of 2021. Zen 3D will be launched next week at CES (4th) and be available not long after

Why would anyone bother upgrading from 5000 to 3D though? A 15% 1080p gaming improvement with clocks locked at 4ghz...I can understand if your on 2000 or 3000 but if your on 5000 and your going to upgrade then atleast wait till you see a noticeable performance improvement.

Advising people on Zen 3 to buy Zen 3D is almost as bad as advising people to to jump from Zen 3 to ADL.

 

[Vulture]

Why would anyone bother upgrading from 5000 to 3D though? A 15% 1080p gaming improvement with clocks locked at 4ghz...I can understand if your on 2000 or 3000 but if your on 5000 and your going to upgrade then atleast wait till you see a noticeable performance improvement.

Advising people on Zen 3 to buy Zen 3D is almost as bad as advising people to to jump from Zen 3 to ADL.

5600x to 3d cache 5900x isn't bad jump, especially later when 5600x become little slow. With 5900x you get double amount of cores, and combined with 3d cache with 15% average uplift in performance, all that on same motherboard so you could spend extra money on better gpu that gives biggest performance jump. Currently 5600x is more than enough, you don't have to look at cpu, but in 2-3 years 6 cores could be little bottleneck, but with 3d cache you get also performance uplift, not only cores.

edit: some folks always use 4ghz clock argument, that zen3d was engineering sample, and 7nm node today is very mature and better than previous steppings so it will compensate that.

 

[Joxeon]

5600x to 3d cache 5900x isn't bad jump, especially later when 5600x become little slow. With 5900x you get double amount of cores, and combined with 3d cache with 15% average uplift in performance, all that on same motherboard so you could spend extra money on better gpu that gives biggest performance jump. Currently 5600x is more than enough, you don't have to look at cpu, but in 2-3 years 6 cores could be little bottleneck, but with 3d cache you get also performance uplift, not only cores.

edit: some folks always use 4ghz clock argument, that zen3d was engineering sample, and 7nm node today is very mature and better than previous steppings so it will compensate that.

Gaming doesn't really benefit from more than 6 cores especially at 1440p+ and by the time it does there will be much better CPUs available.

The 4ghz argument is a valid one since with clock speeds slowed then the extra cache is more likely to make a larger impact so I'd expect the difference to be smaller with both CPUs running at full pelt. The 5800X and 5900X offer largely the same performance in games despite one having twice as much cache.

 

[jigger]

Depends on the game and graphics card. Radeon cards scale well and Infinity cache offers a good performance uplift. The current ideal core count is 10 taking into account everything.

A 5900X isn’t a bad place to be.

 

[Vulture]

Gaming doesn't really benefit from more than 6 cores especially at 1440p+ and by the time it does there will be much better CPUs available.

The 4ghz argument is a valid one since with clock speeds slowed then the extra cache is more likely to make a larger impact so I'd expect the difference to be smaller with both CPUs running at full pelt. The 5800X and 5900X offer largely the same performance in games despite one having twice as much cache.

I doubt AMD will release slower product than current, or even same, so....

 

[Joxeon]

I doubt AMD will release slower product than current, or even same, so....

They released the 3000XT chips last year which were pretty much the same as the 3000X but seriously though I'm not saying it will be slower but rather it will be a pointless upgrade for those already on Zen 3 and the same applies to ADL.

 

[Vulture]

If Intel is going to release cheaper motherboards then zen 3d would need to be better than were XT models from 3000 series, Intel is little more serious this time.

 

[cliffy]

Why would anyone bother upgrading from 5000 to 3D though? A 15% 1080p gaming improvement with clocks locked at 4ghz...I can understand if your on 2000 or 3000 but if your on 5000 and your going to upgrade then atleast wait till you see a noticeable performance improvement.

Advising people on Zen 3 to buy Zen 3D is almost as bad as advising people to to jump from Zen 3 to ADL.

I have not advised anyone to buy Zen 3D who already has a 5000 series chip. Th facts are though you saw a slide where a Zen £D Cache chips scored on average 15% more in games at 4Ghz. You o not know what the release performance will be like only what the minimum performance could be (maybe that is maximum to)

 

[g67575]

It's not a great upgrade, only about 9% performance improvement in games on average. It's not worth it unless your frame rate is dropping frequently below 60, due to high CPU utilization.

Some games like Battlefield 2042 (with 128 players) really benefit from extra cores, so I'd suggest at a 12700 or 12700K if you can sell your current CPU / motherboard for a good price. Had a quick look on CEX, you can probably sell the CPU and motherboard to them for around £150, but not sure what the best place to sell motherboards is.

You could stick with your DDR4 RAM if you like, especially if it's ~3600mhz.

Basically, get a better CPU if it will significantly increase your 1% low frame rate / minimum FPS.

Since your board supports the 5600X, I would definitely wait to see how much of an improvement Zen3D / the Ryzen 6000 series offers.