560Ti Issues

[Rusty0611]

If you are going to be messing with voltages, especially on graphics cards, you need to be aware that a) these cards are generally released with a locked voltage for a good reason, b) increasing with a 3rd party program WILL shorten the life of your product and c) it will void any potential refund options / warranty / RMA

a) all cards are released with locked voltage you need MSI AB or another to unlock it - cards also openly advertise their over-volting ability;

b) no it won't - this is a common misunderstanding - any reduction is likely to be unnoticeable anyway due to having upgraded 8 years ago before any reduction in life comes into play (if it even does which I doubt if voltages are within OK ranges);

c) no it won't - there's no way for them to tell and see point a regarding advertising;

 

[Phixsator]

560Ti is a low-mid range gaming card that is one generation old.

If you are playing Battlefield 3 at 1080p with a 560Ti, I certainly wouldn't expect 60fps at max settings at all...

You need a decent gaming card with 2GB RAM (minimum) to come anywhere close to 60 fps in this game.

Im sorry but I do not agree with you on this statement. At 1080p BF3 has never taken more than 1gb of vRam on any of my setups. This includes my old and sold gtx 560 ti with 1,25gb of vRam and my newer 7950 with 3gb and yes this was while testing Ultra Preset.

 

[Rusty0611]

Im sorry but I do not agree with you on this statement. At 1080p BF3 has never taken more than 1gb of vRam on any of my setups. This includes my old and sold gtx 560 ti with 1,25gb of vRam and my newer 7950 with 3gb and yes this was while testing Ultra Preset.

BF3 does run out of VRAM on 1GB and 1.25GB cards with MSAA and HBAO on on the Ultra preset.

 

[Gregster]

do you work for nvidia?

Head of the green light initiative perhaps?

LOL

Agreed and I notice Shakenbake has his CPU overclocked.....

As for chip degredation, I am not sold on this. It seems chips either work or they don't work. Maybe I am wrong but I am yet to see something not clocking as high as it used to. Other factors need to be taken into consideration like temps/drivers/hardware.

 

[ShakeNBake]

Agreed and I notice Shakenbake has his CPU overclocked.....

;D

It was a pre-overclocked bundle from OCUK..! I turned it down to 4GHz now cos quite frankly it eats up everything I can throw at it.

I also overclock my graphics card a bit for gaming, get a 10-15% boost on core/memory clocks (gives me 560 speeds on a 460..!) But I don't touch the volts on the gfx card, and I only have the overclock active if it is a particularly demanding game, not 24/7.

I had a Q6600 previously which I overclocked manually myself, which needed more juice to hit 3.2GHz on my motherboard. It lasted a couple years, then started blue screening during intensive games, so had to turn it down to 3.0, then stock, then got my i5 bundle to replace it last xmas.

Like I said, I have no problem with overclocking, but you gotta be aware that if the hardware becomes faulty, and you overclocked it yourself, there's no way you're getting a refund, even from a specialist vendor..!

 

[ShakeNBake]

p.s. @ OP, the 500 series was a tiny tiny improvement on the 400 series, using slightly better chips. The 600 series uses a whole new generation of chip and socket, and there is a gigantic performance boost from 500 series -> 600 series compared to 400 series -> 500 series.

560Ti vs 660Ti -> http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/547?vs=647


So don't let your bad experience with a 560 put you off getting a 660 / 670 / 680 in the future, cos they are all pretty sick cards that will max out pretty much any game at 1080p for the next couple of years..!

 

[Gregster]

Like I said, I have no problem with overclocking, but you gotta be aware that if the hardware becomes faulty, and you overclocked it yourself, there's no way you're getting a refund, even from a specialist vendor..!

Why do vendors encourage you to clock cards/CPUs?

Take this for example...

VGA Hotwire allows you to plug and solder wires on the card’s voltage regulators and accurately read and control Vcore, Vmem, and PLL voltages on a hardware level

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-293-AS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=938

Where does it say "Void your warranty if you do this"? Nothing worse than someone posting drivel who has no idea what he is on about.

 

[Razyre]

BF3 will run absolutely fine @ 1080p at 45-50fps with a modest OC on all Ultra (Not MSAA).
It's not doing that anymore.

I do agree BF3 needs more than 1GB VRAM for MSAA, but not for the game on Ultra without the Multisampling, you can even run it with HBAO and it'll be alright.

I know for a fact that OV/OC does not render the warranty invalid, nor is there any easy way to prove one has done it.

As far as I know, 1.1mv is a safe overvolting limit. This is literally +70mv from the stock setting. The ASUS card is HORRIBLY underutilised at 830 when the 560Ti often comes clocked at 950, especially with the great DirectCUII cooler.

Also, that voltage boost makes very little difference to temperature. My 560Ti rarely goes over 70 in most games with that overclock and standard fan settings on. I do know my stuff I've just never RMA'd a card before and wouldn't know how to start. ASUS support is flakey at best.

EDIT: Okay, so on the suggested 306.23 drivers back at stock clocks and performance SEEMS to be okay. This is with 32 players as opposed to 48-64 as I was playing with the other day, but I'll see how that goes as well. Looking at the utilisation of my CPU makes me realise how weak it is, although not the problem in this case. It seems to be taxed about 70% which is terrible in comparison with modern day i7s. Thankfully, I'll be upgrading quite soon, to an Intel Haswell build.

I'm still considering getting rid of this card, I really don't like it very much, but I don't feel that the 600 series would be a wise choice with 800 coming in 2014 (Which'll be the leap needed to keep up with the next gen console games). What do you guys think? Also, I'd be putting down £300 on an other card after having already spent a lot of money this year on a new gaming laptop and smartphone, as I will not be buying a 660Ti, but instead a 670 if I went for one at all.

 

[ShakeNBake]

Where does it say "Void your warranty if you do this"? Nothing worse than someone posting drivel who has no idea what he is on about.

yeah, my bad, turns out some vendors allow you to RMA even if you overclocked (EVGA for example) so might be worth giving it a try. just don't tell them you overclocked

just contact the card manufacturer, look up their details on their website or in the manual or w/e, take some photos of the card, write down serial numbers, package it up sensibly and ship it off to them.



a 670 will probably max out everything on a single monitor @ 1080p until 2014

next gen consoles haven't really been announced yet, and I doubt they will have a huge technological leap in performance this time around, they will probably still be focused at 1080p gaming imo (maybe some 3-D compatibility or something - who knows)

 

[Razyre]

yeah my, bad, turns out some vendors allow you to RMA even if you overclocked (EVGA for example) so might be worth giving it a try. just don't tell them you overclocked

just contact the card manufacturer, look up their details on their website or in the manual or w/e, take some photos of the card, write down serial numbers, package it up sensibly and ship it off to them.



a 670 will probably max out everything on a single monitor @ 1080p until 2014

next gen consoles haven't really been announced yet, and I doubt they will have a huge technological leap in performance this time around, they will probably still be focused at 1080p gaming imo.

I know someone who has knowledge of the specs of Durango (The next Xbox) and it's going to be a mammoth. The GPU will be at LEAST as powerful as a 680. At least 8GB RAM, a special caching system and an intel based processor. When you can ultilise that power, it's going to look amazing. It will run Unreal Engine 4 out of the box, and that's a BIG leap. It'll be native 1080p I believe, with games running @60fps and will support 4K, prolly upscaling.

The 670 will fall to it's knees once the full power of Durango can be utilised. The Maxwell architecture in 2014 is going to be about twice as powerful as Kepler.

 

[ShakeNBake]

well, ima start saving for 2014 then LOL
i'll get a 660 @ £150 to tide me over til then, when they drop that low

 

[Gregster]

yeah my, bad, turns out some vendors allow you to RMA even if you overclocked (EVGA for example) so might be worth giving it a try. just don't tell them you overclocked

just contact the card manufacturer, look up their details on their website or in the manual or w/e, take some photos of the card, write down serial numbers, package it up sensibly and ship it off to them.



a 670 will probably max out everything on a single monitor @ 1080p until 2014

next gen consoles haven't really been announced yet, and I doubt they will have a huge technological leap in performance this time around, they will probably still be focused at 1080p gaming imo (maybe some 3-D compatibility or something - who knows)

Fair play

 

[Razyre]

Hmm, just played Conquest Domination on Scrap Metal and the stuttering has returned.

Is there a program or something that could be causing the problem?

Just played ANOTHER game on Donya fortress and the game is still doing it. Microstutters constantly, regardless of quality setting. Tried turning Vsync off too.

 

[Rusty0611]

I know someone who has knowledge of the specs of Durango (The next Xbox) and it's going to be a mammoth. The GPU will be at LEAST as powerful as a 680. At least 8GB RAM, a special caching system and an intel based processor. When you can ultilise that power, it's going to look amazing. It will run Unreal Engine 4 out of the box, and that's a BIG leap. It'll be native 1080p I believe, with games running @60fps and will support 4K, prolly upscaling.

Doubt it. That would cost £1000+ for the console itself.

Not going to happen. You've been lied to or have simply made it up.

It's not that it can't be done more than it just isn't feasible.

 

[Gregster]

Hmm, just played Conquest Domination on Scrap Metal and the stuttering has returned.

Is there a program or something that could be causing the problem?

Just played ANOTHER game on Donya fortress and the game is still doing it. Microstutters constantly, regardless of quality setting. Tried turning Vsync off too.

Strange...I played through the whole of the SP on a 560TI with no probs. Are you using the 306.23 drivers?

 

[ShakeNBake]

in my experience, micro-stuttering in games can sometimes be caused by slow hard drive read speeds :3

 

[Razyre]

Doubt it. That would cost £1000+ for the console itself.

Not going to happen. You've been lied to or have simply made it up.

It's not that it can't be done more than it just isn't feasible.

It wouldn't cost that price. It costs that to US as consumers. We have to pay the full price. Microsoft are going to be making millions of the same machine, ordering in bulk, at way lower prices than we have to pay. They'll lose probably around £200 a machine, they always do at launch, but once they get the production line going properly, revisions are made, costs go down due to more efficient processes, it doesn't cost them too much. Not to mention they'll have special deals with manufacturers for the business and they'll be producing in their own factories, which costs pennies compared to buying separate components. These components are made specifically for the consoles, so naturally, they'll be as cost effective as possible.

You do realise that MS and Sony don't make their money on the consoles right, but on the software?

This is the reason it's awesome to have someone in the know telling you about everything xD

Strange...I played through the whole of the SP on a 560TI with no probs. Are you using the 306.23 drivers?

Yes, hence why I think there is something wrong with my card, or indeed something in my system.

in my experience, micro-stuttering in games can sometimes be caused by slow hard drive read speeds :3

I'm running BF3 off of an SSD :/

I'm going to plug the 560Ti into another system running Windows 7 tomorrow and see how it goes, playing BF3 on the same maps/settings I do on this desktop.

 

[Razyre]

Okay, I tried the 560Ti in another machine today and it's not at fault which is a relief.

So, either my CPU is whack due to my overclocking, something's up with my PSU (I doubt very much) or it's good old Windows 8 (Or EA and BF3's fault).

 

[Gregster]

Ahhh Windows 8...Loads of reports of problems with Nvidia. I would put it down to this and hopefully a fix soon.

 

[Razyre]

You have no idea lol, when the OS came out there wasn't a driver that wouldn't bluescreen for me. It has smoothed out now, but nothing's perfect. It's to be expected with a new OS, but it is pretty damned annoying. My laptop has fared better with Windows 8 than my aging desktop. That's brand new with 2012 parts (11 inch, Core i7 3632QM, 650m), while this is using a mix of 2008, 2009 and 2011 parts (X4 940 BE, M3N78 Pro, 560Ti).