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5700XT Nitro+ or Red Devil

davidmt83 said:
Understood. What do you reckon to my intended build?
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Nice build, but seems you aren't buying yet due to MB? If so wait until the time comes to buy the GPU to see which one is cheaper of the good ones.
But personally I do not change the AE even on air, and takes heavy tweaking also.
 
Ross Thomson said:
you did read what I wrote.
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At 17:15-17:43
The nitro will never exceed 250Amp with air cooling. For a daily gaming setup it's acceptable VRM.

At 20:49 he finally reveals his motives for the harsh criticism of the Nitro+ PCB. This Nitro+ PCB is not reminiscent of his VaporX collection (pot modding, Liquid Nitro cooling, etc). That's the real issue he has with it. Even though the Nitro is more then enough for gaming purposes.

At 32:00-32:12
His statement really sums up what he should have said and what should have been quoted from GN at the very beginning of the video. Not that other crap you hear.

Therefore, it is not I who hasn't read what you wrote. Let's maintain the proper prospective here. It is "you" who has been responding to my post. Not the other way around.
The real issue is that you've not properly watched and dissected this video. And when I post about it you've not been able to fully understand why.

Therefore, I do hope that clears the air. He was in fact contradictory in his review of the Nitro+. His issue was in fact that the PCB wasn't a modder's dream card like the Vapor X from back in the day. The PCB was designed to be a "Gamer's Card" (If that is really such a thing). And he's real disappointed is that the card wasn't overbuilt like the VaporX was. It has nothing to do with actual card itself as it's been shown to perform in top tier. Which is why I said before his criticism of the PCB did not align with the actual overall performance of the card.

And if you watch his videos on the PowerColor, Tiachi and Nitro he really didn't like them. The only PCB card he did like was the Strix. For the aforementioned reasons (Modding, Liquid Cooling, etc).

His view is from a Modding/LQ prospective not a gamer prospective.
 
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he said is sad about the PCB, you buy it for the heatsink and not an upgrade from the reference card. That isn't motive for his criticism.

Note his channel title - Hardcore Overclocking - it isn't "leave as stock for boring game play".

They added some LEDs and some fuses - Built a card with a really nice air cooler. It's a PCB review not a card review.

Nothing wrong with his review of the PCB.

You clearly have an issue with GN & BZ plus you don't get the point of this video either.
 
Ross Thomson said:
he said is sad about the PCB, you buy it for the heatsink and not an upgrade from the reference card. That isn't motive for his criticism.

Note his channel title - Hardcore Overclocking - it isn't "leave as stock for boring game play".

They added some LEDs and some fuses - Built a card with a really nice air cooler. It's a PCB review not a card review.

Nothing wrong with his review of the PCB.

You clearly have an issue with GN & BZ plus you don't get the point of this video either.
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When you find yourself dug in a hole you typically should stop digging.
Be that as it may:











Based on his videos I've discern that for gaming applications those cards should never reach above 250A using air cooling. And his assertion of the wattage that it brings would show parity in this order for gaming purposes.

The Tiachi is last as it does appear to correlate to the review(s) I've seen.

However, in the grand scheme of things all these cards OC very well and provide outstanding performance for AIB cards.
 
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Ross Thomson said:
The pcb is the nitro plus is not as good as the reference. How do you not get that. The strix and the Red Devil have a better pcb (gaming X looks better too) than reference.
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How do you lack the basic principle that when used in games the Nitro is one of the quietest cards providing one of the best thermals and performance? When we use critical thinking the PCB design/GPU of the Nitro allows a target clock speed higher or just as high as the other AIBs.

The Nitro is designed as a gaming card not a modder's card. It is indeed better then reference (additional power phase, etc). Thus providing value that doesn't match your skewed opinion.

Is it that all you want me to see is just the pcb layout and ignore how the gpu/pcb performs? Is that what you want me to do? Ignore everything else about the card and just see pin and trace layouts?
LOL

I can only see the the card as a whole. Not just the traces and parts that the video card comes with.

If you watched the video, which I've provided timestamps for and provided pics of, clearly indicates that the Nitro is better then what's being said about it. Also, I take issue with such videos that are confusing and are not clear as to the intent unless further digging is completed. Which I also provided to you in timestamp.

So, I'm glad we've cleared that up :D
 
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EastCoastHandle said:
How do you lack the basic principle that when used in games the Nitro is one of the quietest cards providing one of the best thermals and performance? When we use critical thinking the PCB design/GPU of the Nitro allows a target clock speed higher or just as high as the other AIBs.

The Nitro is designed as a gaming card not a modder's card. It is indeed better then reference (additional power phase, etc). Thus providing value that doesn't match your skewed opinion.

Is it that all you want me to see is just the pcb layout and ignore how the gpu/pcb performs? Is that what you want me to do? Ignore everything else about the card and just see pin and trace layouts?
LOL

I can only see the the card as a whole. Not just the traces and parts that the video card comes with.

If you watched the video, which I've provided timestamps for and provided pics of, clearly indicates that the Nitro is better then what's being said about it. Also, I take issue with such videos that are confusing and are not clear as to the intent unless further digging is completed. Which I also provided to you in timestamp.

So, I'm glad we've cleared that up :D
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OMFG - The title of the video is

Sapphire RX 5700 XT Nitro+ PCB & VRM quality analysis

anyone that can read and understand English should not be confused as to what the video is about so why you are getting confused is beyond me.

The VRM on the reference card is better than the VRM on the nitro card. The reference card has 7x70A smart powerstages while the nitro+ has less effiecient 8x55A non-smart powerstages.

That video is not about how the card works in games.
 
Ross Thomson said:
OMFG - The title of the video is

Sapphire RX 5700 XT Nitro+ PCB & VRM quality analysis

anyone that can read and understand English should not be confused as to what the video is about so why you are getting confused is beyond me.

The VRM on the reference card is better than the VRM on the nitro card. The reference card has 7x70A smart powerstages while the nitro+ has less effiecient 8x55A non-smart powerstages.

That video is not about how the card works in games.
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Are you kidding me? This gotta be a joke.
So the entire Reference PCB is better then Nitro do to smart powerstages?? His use of hyperoble became apparent when he express his disdain that the Nitro wasn't better then the old VaporX cards from back in the day. He was clearly expecting a similar PCB design. Nothing more/less.

The only thing in your example that is better is just the smart powerstages and not the entire PCB (or whatever other components you want to throw in the mix). However, smart powerstages don't make a PCB design superior.

When the Nitro+ is compared to the 5700 Reference in games the Nitro still beats the Reference.

Remember, we still have to litmus those findings through some sort of median. Which is gaming...that's what the cards are designed for.

Sure, analyze the components of the PCB's but when you come to a conclusion that doesn't correlate to the actual performance of the cards something is wrong with the analysis.

No different then you making a claim that one car is better then another only because that particular car is using better tires. Yet when put on the track the opposing car wins!

Then you argue that the car that loss is still superior in the face of known fact(s) that it lost (and continues to loss unless some sort of "assisted aid/support" is used). Yes, it does have better tires, rims, wheel hubs, etc but it always losses to the other car. However, you continue to argue ignoring the fact that the opposing car, even though it didn't have those particular tires, rims, wheel hub, still won!

LOL, one can't make this stuff up folks. :D
 
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davidmt83 said:
Cheers all, that's that then, complete by pot :D

I'm tempted by the Red Devil over the two, purely based on it being a hair widths quieter I think.
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PowerColor I have been told have changed the terms ocuk had agreed to when they started restocking. Don’t know exactly what else they have changed or not but I was told that cooler removal now voids warranty. Maybe gone back to stupid rma turnarounds?

I had coil wine on my 290 but only when it was doing 60+FPS. Limit to 60fps and it’s gone
 
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