5950x VS 13700k, any sense in getting the former?

[Zarax]

Hello everybody,
I'm trying to get a sanity check. Benchmarks seems to suggest a 13700k is the better choice both in single and multi threaded scenarios, system cost is pretty similar.
Is there any relatively common scenario where a 5950x would be the better choice?

Both CPUs would be powered by a corsair RM850 and cooled by a Noctua D15.

Thanks!

 

[Cyber-Mav]

13700k has a lot more single thread speed and wipes the floor with the 5950x in gaming so it will have a longer lifespan. Both are on dead end platforms but am4 is deader.

 

[ZXSpekky48k]

Hi - probably an idea of what you use it for would be a good idea. I think the issue if you're building a system with an expensive processor with the AMD option it would be much better to get AM5 as that platform is new and the 5950x is the last gasp for AM4 from an upgradeability perspective.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Yes 5950x makes sense if your on currently an am4 setup e.g 3600 then a simple drop in cpu is cheapest way.
From what iv learnt going from a 5600x to 5800x now to a 5900x there is no difference in gaming,. Video encoding saw a big jump so going more than 8 cores is gonna be a decision made by someone who uses the computer for other than gaming

 

[Zarax]

Thanks for your answers.

My scenario is:
- Completely new build
- 80% gaming, 20% machine learning (that's why I'm looking for lots of threads)
- I'm looking for a "best of DDR4" build to keep costs down, 64GB RAM and motherboards are still too expensive
- The only upgrades that will ever be done are GPU and SSD

 

[dave28]

AM4 is much cheaper if buying used, i dont see the point of buying a new AM4 setup in 2023.

 

[uscool]

New build and want best of DDR4 go with intel , 13700k / 13600k with an ddr4 board

 

[Joxeon]

13700k + ddr4 will offer the best mix of gaming + multithreading.

 

[Zarax]

13700k + ddr4 will offer the best mix of gaming + multithreading.

I'm leaning towards it, although part of me is tempted to try a 5800X3D...
Did the 13th series fix the bending issues?

 

[uscool]

I wouldnt personally do new AM4 build just for 5800x3d unless I was already on AM4 and can just drop it in, my choice would be 13700K

 

[Tetras]

Thanks for your answers.

My scenario is:
- Completely new build
- 80% gaming, 20% machine learning (that's why I'm looking for lots of threads)
- I'm looking for a "best of DDR4" build to keep costs down, 64GB RAM and motherboards are still too expensive
- The only upgrades that will ever be done are GPU and SSD

64GB isn't outrageous, I suggested this for a productivity build a bit ago, partly because of how it reviewed (video):

AMD Ryzen 9 7900 Twelve Core 5.40GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail - £428.98
Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard - £242.99
Corsair Vengeance 64GB (2X32GB) DDR5 PC5-41600C40 5200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMK64GX5M2B5200C40 - £248.99

Grand Total: £931.46

Isn't machine learning normally done on the GPU nowadays though? (me clueless)

From what I can see in these charts, you'd be better off with even a 13600K than a 5950X. I suspect the i5-13500 would perform quite well too, value for money wise.

 

[Zarax]

64GB isn't outrageous, I suggested this for a productivity build a bit ago, partly because of how it reviewed (video):

AMD Ryzen 9 7900 Twelve Core 5.40GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail - £428.98
Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard - £242.99
Corsair Vengeance 64GB (2X32GB) DDR5 PC5-41600C40 5200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMK64GX5M2B5200C40 - £248.99

Grand Total: £931.46

Isn't machine learning normally done on the GPU nowadays though? (me clueless)

From what I can see in these charts, you'd be better off with even a 13600K than a 5950X. I suspect the i5-13500 would perform quite well too, value for money wise.

GPU is used for deep learning, which is a fascinating niche of machine learning but far from the only one.
I can get 64GB DDR4 for half that price and it's money better spent somewhere else for me (like GPU).

 

[subbytna]

64GB isn't outrageous, I suggested this for a productivity build a bit ago, partly because of how it reviewed (video):

AMD Ryzen 9 7900 Twelve Core 5.40GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail - £428.98
Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard - £242.99
Corsair Vengeance 64GB (2X32GB) DDR5 PC5-41600C40 5200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMK64GX5M2B5200C40 - £248.99

Grand Total: £931.46

Isn't machine learning normally done on the GPU nowadays though? (me clueless)

From what I can see in these charts, you'd be better off with even a 13600K than a 5950X. I suspect the i5-13500 would perform quite well too, value for money wise.

That's mad. almost £1000 for just the three components. I remember buying an entire PC, with the brilliant 4870 GPU, for around 800 quid :/

 

[rare]

That's mad. almost £1000 for just the three components. I remember buying an entire PC, with the brilliant 4870 GPU, for around 800 quid :/

To be fair you can still buy an entire PC for about 800 quid.

But people have always been paying these kinds of prices for high end parts. A cutting edge 12 core CPU for £430 doesn’t sound that crazy when you think how expensive some high end CPU’s have always been.

 

[Poneros]

13700K is the much better choice. This is a no-brainer.

 

[subbytna]

To be fair you can still buy an entire PC for about 800 quid.

But people have always been paying these kinds of prices for high end parts. A cutting edge 12 core CPU for £430 doesn’t sound that crazy when you think how expensive some high end CPU’s have always been.

Yes you can still buy a PC for that, but not the equivalent high end GPU setup, that the 4870 was at the time.

 

[Deleted member 258511]

13700k without question.

 

[cinderman]

I guess you want to stick to ddr4, but another way to look at it is whether the investment you make today is useable 2 years down the line when you get a new cpu/motherboard.

if you can wait, wait a few months and see how AMD’s attempts of reducing the price of their motherboard pans out. Also the 7000 series x3d models should all be out by then.

For me I had an x370 board for 5 years and dropped a 5950x a few months ago. I know AMD had issues with threadripper sockets, but for you imo makes more sense to invest in an AM5 platform with ddr5.

 

[Zarax]

I guess you want to stick to ddr4, but another way to look at it is whether the investment you make today is useable 2 years down the line when you get a new cpu/motherboard.

if you can wait, wait a few months and see how AMD’s attempts of reducing the price of their motherboard pans out. Also the 7000 series x3d models should all be out by then.

For me I had an x370 board for 5 years and dropped a 5950x a few months ago. I know AMD had issues with threadripper sockets, but for you imo makes more sense to invest in an AM5 platform with ddr5.

Thanks but no, I'm likely to keep the CPU for the next 10 years just like I did with my current setup so investing in an end of the line socket is not a problem.
Basically I'm aiming at a "best of DDR4" build for maximum stability and value for money, upgrading has become expensive as it is...

 

[cinderman]

Thanks but no, I'm likely to keep the CPU for the next 10 years just like I did with my current setup so investing in an end of the line socket is not a problem.
Basically I'm aiming at a "best of DDR4" build for maximum stability and value for money, upgrading has become expensive as it is...

You should consider used for some parts then, there’s so many bargains to be had on eBay, I purchased 128gb Corsair vengeance 3600 rgb ram for only £300, I’ve seen many offers for 130ish for 64gb Kingston 3600 cl16.