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5970 benchmarks

Duran said:
well at 1920, 4xaa and who knows what else ati used to show the 5970 at the best case scenario expect the 5970 to be about 20-30% faster overall. quite a disappointment really.
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As you don't actually know what your talking about it may be a bit early to be disappointed, not that you are of course.

Good luck with Firmi, by your standard of pre-judgement and educated guessing you'l need it.
 
You cannot argue with this graph.

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TheRealDeal said:
You are forgetting that the new ati drivers are supposed to give a good performance boost, in shift one 5870 is now faster than a gtx295. The other thing you may not be taking into consideration is the gtx295 running out of memory at certain resolutions. In some situations especially at really high resolutions i have seen crossfire giving over 100% boost in speed.
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I didn't. I said that the one of the ways that the 5970 will be much faster than the 295 is if the 5870 becomes faster than a 295. The drivers update is just a rumour- it might or might not happen. The increase in NFS could just be a normal update that certain games get from time to time. Lets not forget that 5870 is already faster than a 295 in WoW- maybe NFS just suits ATi's card better.
Xfire is more game dependent than resolution dependent.
 
Why is it called 5970, why isnt it called the 5890?

I mean 4850 -> 4870 -> 4890
So why isnt it 5850 -> 5870 -> 5890?

I havnt read all the thread, but my guess is its a dual gpu card so they wanted it to have its own name?
 
Nice analysis Owenb but your logic is slightly flawed.

There are quite a few games now where xfire (and indeed SLI) scale to 90% or more so that will put your figures up to 45% faster than a gtx295.

Secondly ATI chose 8xaa as the 5 series really shines with 8xaa and with 4xaa or less then the difference would not be as great.

Lastly, the gtx295 can't handle all the af/aa at the resolutions used in that test and slows down considerably. I had seen this already with 5870/GTS295 reviews where the 5870 tends to beat the gtx295 at the highest resolutions. At 1920 x 1200 the performance gain of the 5970 will be much less.

I will truely expect the 5970 at those res and settings to be 75% faster which is great if you have a 30" screen but how many people have them?

I reckon 1920 x 1200 will be the most popular nowadays. At that res, I reckon it will only be 25 to 50% (game depending) faster before overclocking.

It's all marketing rubbish though and both sides always pick the resolutions/settings which show off their cards to be the best advantage over the competition.

However, one thing is certain. That if the 5970 is 75% faster at that res then a 5970 will certainly handle any game you throw at it at 1920 x 1200 res with bucket loads of AA.

My 5850 overclocked at 8x super sample AA and 1920 x 1200 already does 75fps in nfs shift. I reckon an overclocked 5970 at the same res/settings will be more like 150+ fps especially once the new drivers are out which at least seems to give a 20% in nfs shift.

So maybe this will be a card which you can buy and still use two or three years later like the 8800gtx.

Crysis apart, there doesn;t seem to be the games around which needs all this hardware anymore. At 1920 x 1200, a 4890 or gtx260 handles it fine.
 
Dan.m said:
Why is it called 5970, why isnt it called the 5890?

I mean 4850 -> 4870 -> 4890
So why isnt it 5850 -> 5870 -> 5890?

I havnt read all the thread, but my guess is its a dual gpu card so they wanted it to have its own name?
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Correct, it is a dual card. This means there may indeed be a revision later and a more powerful single gpu card called a 5890 comes out.
 
Greebo said:
Secondly ATI chose 8xaa as the 5 series really shines with 8xaa and with 4xaa or less then the difference would not be as great.
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No it's not really that 5xxx shines with 8xAA but rather that NVidia's 8xAA blows chunks performance-wise, even the 4870 beat GTX280 occasionally when using 8xAA.
 
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TheRealDeal said:
You are forgetting that the new ati drivers are supposed to give a good performance boost, in shift one 5870 is now faster than a gtx295. The other thing you may not be taking into consideration is the gtx295 running out of memory at certain resolutions. In some situations especially at really high resolutions i have seen crossfire giving over 100% boost in speed.
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Indeed the HD5870 is 3fps faster in Need for Speed Shift with the 9.10
GTX295 83fps 1920x1200 8xAA 16xAF
HD5870 86fps 1920x1200 8xAA 16xAF
But with corrupted graphics:o
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http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1130/3/
 
Review is up, overclocking is dissapointing :(

Using the in-built ATI Overdrive overclocking tool, we managed 800MHz at the core and 4400MHz DDR at the memory, which gave us a negligible improvement of 120 3DMarks. Further attempts to replicate the higher clock speeds of the Radeon HD 5870 failed, as Vantage would crash halfway into the benchmarking run. Apparently, the Radeon HD 5970 is not a very keen overclocker despite what ATI /AMD would like to have us believe. Perhaps it could be somewhat linked to the early driver nature and this may yet see an area of improvement in the near future.
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What did you expect?? if you done the math you would realize where the performance would be, it's two 5870's in XFIRE down-clocked, so I don't know how you could expect anything more than that.
 
Some issues with Farcry 2 in the above review. Performs far below hd 5870 xfire at their highest tested resolution and 8x AA. Memory is clocked slightly lower, but can't imagine its running into memory bandwidth issues at 256Gb/s.

As for the overclocking comment, I think they should have checked what volts the card was running at. To combat heat issues, AMD probably dropped that a fair bit since that's the best way to reduce heat. So even if it is an identical core, it won't match the hd 5870 clocks.
 
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Loowi_ashley said:
Not impressed from that review, its 20% faster than 295GTX at best, and 10% slower than 5870CF
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A 5870 is typically £<350> a piece, so £700 for a crossfire 5870 set up. My feelings are the 5970 will come in at £479 - which would be 46% cheaper, so with only a 10% performance loss, and a "single card, i know were I'd put my money! (because I have an SLI board anywayv- so my choice is somewhat limited:):*


~Ant
 
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