6 free Batman games on the Epic store!

Panos said:
Tbh I do not see why the crying. Is not different platform than Steam, receiving the same flak Steam did initially also. At least those of us who are here long enough to remember.
For me as a developer and business man, if someone gives me bigger cut of MY work, ofc I will go through Epic than Valve (Steam). And thats all about. Hell most big distributors these days make their own platforms and promote them heavily because there is no reason why not receive 100% of the money. (Started with Ubisoft, EA Origin, Bethesda, Microsoft and Paradox follows suit apparently).

Lets take a good example of a tiny (in the grand scale) company like Snapshot which is making Phoenix Point. By doing the deal with Epic it would allow the company to take in $2.5mn extra compared to Steam.
On a tiny company with $1mn budget to make that game (Julian even had to migrate to Bulgaria to cut down costs) that's a lot of money. Especially when Julian has promised all that extra money would go for further developing and supporting the game for years to come.
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People nowadays have more sense of entitlement than ever before. They also hate change and tend to ally themselves with companies in some odd way they feel benefits them.

Take Apple for example, I know many people who refuse to buy anything that isn't an Apple product. Steam has a similar grasp on the Digital platforms and some will defend it regardless of reason. People who hate Epic Store are likely to have hated the uPlay store, Origin and any other platforms that appear. I won't defend paying for exclusivity as it is a bit of a poor move but I also understand they are the new guys trying to make an impact against a company that has a monopoly on the market so I can understand they are doing what they need to do to get a foothold.

I see no point in cutting off my nose to spite my face and not buying things I want just because they aren't on steam though. Competition is a good thing and in the long term having major platforms competing for our business can only be a good thing for us.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
People nowadays have more sense of entitlement than ever before. They also hate change and tend to ally themselves with companies in some odd way they feel benefits them.

Take Apple for example, I know many people who refuse to buy anything that isn't an Apple product. Steam has a similar grasp on the Digital platforms and some will defend it regardless of reason. People who hate Epic Store are likely to have hated the uPlay store, Origin and any other platforms that appear. I won't defend paying for exclusivity as it is a bit of a poor move but I also understand they are the new guys trying to make an impact against a company that has a monopoly on the market so I can understand they are doing what they need to do to get a foothold.

I see no point in cutting off my nose to spite my face and not buying things I want just because they aren't on steam though. Competition is a good thing and in the long term having major platforms competing for our business can only be a good thing for us.
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The deal with Phoenix Point was shady because:

1. The game was crowd funded by people, not paid for by Epic to develop it.
2. The "cash payout" meant that the developers/publishers were happy to annoy the backers, many of which would have preferred Steam or GOG.
3. The backer site originally said backers would get a Steam key I believe, which turned out not to be true.

The devs/publishers are looking after number one at the expense of customer goodwill.

The 88/12 split sounds great for devs, but they are missing a trick. If that 88/12 split also let the customer pay a lower price, then it would make sense. Otherwise for a consumer the price seems to be much the same right now.

If a game is good, it will sell well, I'd prefer to see titles release on all major platforms if possible. Steam still has the biggest influence in terms of numbers of people on the platform.

Epic is still too far behind on development to keep up with many (basic) Steam platform features, biggest examples are lack of user forums. People are taking to the Steam Borderlands 2 forums to raise issues with Borderlands 3, because Epic doesn't have forums, and Steam doesn't have Borderlands 3.

For me it's gotten to the point where I simply won't buy any titles that are Epic exclusives. It would take a truly fantastic exclusive for me to make the switch (i.e. Cyberpunk). But CDPR know that their customer goodwill is very high, and an exclusive deal would turn the community against them.

If Epic want to take on exclusive games, they should either directly fund them earlier in the dev cycle, or they should give people way more notice than they often are.
 
HungryHippos said:
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Yeah I agree it's a dodgy thing to be doing, especially on something like a crowdfunded game like Phoenix Point, you'll never hear me arguing that point. I know they are doing it to get market share but I do feel there are better ways they can do it. They have said they will not keep doing it forever though so it will come to an end at some point and when it does we have another competing company which is nothing but good for the consumer.

They definitely would have been more accepted if they leveraged the 88/12 model more and used it to keep prices down and encourage sales that way, but like I said before I have no intention of limiting myself just because there's a new player trying to make their mark.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
Yeah I agree it's a dodgy thing to be doing, especially on something like a crowdfunded game like Phoenix Point, you'll never hear me arguing that point. I know they are doing it to get market share but I do feel there are better ways they can do it. They have said they will not keep doing it forever though so it will come to an end at some point and when it does we have another competing company which is nothing but good for the consumer.

They definitely would have been more accepted if they leveraged the 88/12 model more and used it to keep prices down and encourage sales that way, but like I said before I have no intention of limiting myself just because there's a new player trying to make their mark.
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I'm perfectly happy to see consumer friendly things like the giveaways, but I simply can't see past the stunts that Epic have pulled lately with their exclusives. Phoenix Point is one example, there have been various others.

There was a situation recently where an indie dev (creator of Darq) declined an exclusivity deal with Epic, but they turned it on it's head, and asked Epic if they would be able to sell it non-exclusively. Epic declined and said they weren't interested in non-exclusives.

The Darq developer then said that if Epic sold the game, then 100% of the profits would go to a charity of their choosing. Last I checked Epic didn't respond to that. The Darq developer did play it as a bit of a publicity stunt, but even so, they can't care that much about the devs if they won't let them sell games there, or not support it as a charitable cause.
 
It's hardly like Valve act in the best interests of their users either. None of them are working for you and the sooner you see that the better your life will be.

Not defending Epic or Valve but they both have their problems and they are both in it for what they can get out of it. Funny that they're not interested in non-exclusives when they have a ton of non-exclusives on their site though.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
It's hardly like Valve act in the best interests of their users either. None of them are working for you and the sooner you see that the better your life will be.

Not defending Epic or Valve but they both have their problems and they are both in it for what they can get out of it. Funny that they're not interested in non-exclusives when they have a ton of non-exclusives on their site though.
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No but Valve aren't arbitrarily removing choice, epic games are. So for that reason I'm out.
 
Thanks for the heads up. Got the 3 non lego games. The lego ones don't interest me.
Had the rest on console and the controller annoyed me. Hoping the PC versions are better.

I've recently rebuilt my PC so I didn't have the Epic store installed. Was pretty sure I'd had it installed before and I did. Reminded me I still haven't finished Metro Exodus :)
 
HungryHippos said:
Debatable to me if epic are forcing people to get stuff from them, that is removing choice to me.
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Agreed. If they would not have gone down the exclusive route, I would not have much of an issue with them. As it is I would not touch them with a barge pole. They already caused issues with the greedy Japanese Shenmue developers who lied and broke many promises. Waiting for Epic to refund me my $29 for Shenmue 3 which I helped kickstart.

I agree free games are nice, but they are not a big deal to me. If old games they give out for free were something I was interested in, I would own the game by now. Unless one is retired, surely in most cases time is a bigger consideration than money when choosing which game to play anyways? Each to their own, but that is my take.
 
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If Epic offer any sort of curation and quality control, which they seem to be so far, then I think it's a good thing.

Steam is a nightmare for quality indie titles, which get lost in a sea of rubbish.
 
I was one who was against the idea of steam back in the day. I accepted it and moved on.
Then naturally others started to follow, origin, uplay etc.
Steam got a monopoly, so I don't blame epic for trying exclusives etc to get a foot hold.
It's not ideal, but a continuation of what steam started.

I don't get the ones who hate epic but fully support steam.
 
Cheers for the heads up. I've not played any of the Batman games before, which of the 3 is the best to jump into?
 
famas said:
Cheers for the heads up. I've not played any of the Batman games before, which of the 3 is the best to jump into?
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Personally I started at the beginning with Arkham Asylum about 2 years ago and loved it. Got most of the way through City so far. If you're not massively up to speed with current gaming releases, Asylum should be really good.
 
I got bored with Arkham Knight so I've still not finished the trilogy. Must give it another go some time. My order is Asylum > City > Knight (never played Origins).
 
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