Yes its not colossal but it is noticeable. That will ne enough for some folks. And yes, if you want a pure games boost than a new GPU is the way to go.
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6700k Skylake worth the upgrade from Sandybridge 2600k?
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Yes its not colossal but it is noticeable. That will ne enough for some folks. And yes, if you want a pure games boost than a new GPU is the way to go.
A stock 6700k is roughly 40% quicker than a stock 2700k. A 4.5/4.6hz 6700k will be easily quicker than a 5ghz 2700k and by a decent enough margin.
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/85193-intel-core-i7-6700k-14nm-skylake/?page=3
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/85193-intel-core-i7-6700k-14nm-skylake/?page=4
Have we all forgotten how old sandybridge is now and how many small 10%-15% increases we have had since then
I agree that in gaming he probably wont see a massive difference though.
i think the newer chips have higher "turbo" clocks?, but nearly everyone sets their overclock as all 4 cores at equal speed, so that difference shinks.
most likely the sandybridge cpus will hurt more with lack of pcie lanes, usb3.x and just 2 full speed sata ports.
lack of lanes means comprimised gfx performance if you want a pcie ssd , and its not bootable.
and no m.2
pingu666 not at all mate. Like in my case I have a Fatal1ty Z68 Professional Gen3 motherboard with integrated PLX PEX8608 chip onboard to offer sufficient PCI-E lanes , can do 16x x 16x SLI and still have some spare lanes for like my sound card and other addon PCI-e cards. With a Ivy Bridge 2 x PCI Express 3.0 x16 slots and Sandy Bridge will do 2 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots.
Also it has :-
- 2 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s connectors by Intel® Z68, support RAID (RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 10, RAID 5, Intel® Rapid Storage and Intel® Smart Response Technology), NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug functions (ALL BOOTABLE TOO)
- 4 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s connectors by ASMedia ASM1061, support NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug functions (SATA3_A4 connector is shared with eSATA3 port) (ALL BOOTABLE TOO)
-4 x SATA2 3.0 Gb/s Intel . (ALL BOOTABLE TOO)
So 6 SATA3 + 4 SATA2. 10 SATA total.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Fatal1ty Z68 Professional Gen3/
Perfect_Chaos Yes I have no idea what DF are playing at, I really like their channel too, but something has changed there recently, maybe as they got more popular and better sponsors started to influence their "benchmarks" as sponsors do... Anyways I will still watch what they do and take it with a pinch of salt and enjoy some of their other things none benchmark related, like they had a nice couple of videos showing 21:9 and 4K and the advantages of Ultra Wide over 4K and the gains you get.
They were good videos for people that were thinking what monitor to go for and what graphics card and the benefits and disadvantages of each. I also totally agreed with their findings on that and was very well explained.
[60fps] Ultrawide 21:9 Aspect Ratio PC Gaming: Better Than 4K?
GTX 980 Ti vs R9 Fury X 4K/Ultra-Wide 1440p Benchmarks
Radeon R9 390 vs GTX 970 Ultra-Wide 21:9 1080p (2560x1080) Benchmarks
Acer X34 Predator vs XR341CK Ultra-Wide Monitor Review
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Finally someone decided to run a comparison which is probably on a lot of our minds. Is Skylake worth the jump from Sandy if you are primarily gaming?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9EJNa0y524
They tested with a GTX 970 overclocked, the Sandy at 4.5 and the Skylake at 4.4.
Basically at 1080p you will likely see appreciable gains depending on the engine but at 1440p and above with the tested GPU, the GPU bottleneck heavily comes into play leaving there to be minimal performance difference between the two.
Looks like the value proposition for a full rig upgrade is just not there when compared to a pure GPU upgrade, at least when it comes to gaming applications. I know it ties in to most of what is being said on-thread already, but it is good to get benchmarks with this exact use-case in mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9EJNa0y524
They tested with a GTX 970 overclocked, the Sandy at 4.5 and the Skylake at 4.4.
Basically at 1080p you will likely see appreciable gains depending on the engine but at 1440p and above with the tested GPU, the GPU bottleneck heavily comes into play leaving there to be minimal performance difference between the two.
Looks like the value proposition for a full rig upgrade is just not there when compared to a pure GPU upgrade, at least when it comes to gaming applications. I know it ties in to most of what is being said on-thread already, but it is good to get benchmarks with this exact use-case in mind
Finally someone decided to run a comparison which is probably on a lot of our minds. Is Skylake worth the jump from Sandy if you are primarily gaming?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9EJNa0y524
They tested with a GTX 970 overclocked, the Sandy at 4.5 and the Skylake at 4.4.
Basically at 1080p you will likely see appreciable gains depending on the engine but at 1440p and above with the tested GPU, the GPU bottleneck heavily comes into play leaving there to be minimal performance difference between the two.
Looks like the value proposition for a full rig upgrade is just not there when compared to a pure GPU upgrade, at least when it comes to gaming applications. I know it ties in to most of what is being said on-thread already, but it is good to get benchmarks with this exact use-case in mind
Random Guy he only did the 2nd video to fix his previous video that clearly was exaggerating real world use
and got caught out. His 2nd video the one you posted is more accurate and is what I saw in most cases, the 1-5% real world performance boost with skylake. Then of course you have GTA V that just exaggerates the results and is a favorite of many that want to show a real difference from 2600k to 6700k, but the reality there again is GTA V is terribly optimized too for certain generations of CPU and Graphics cards. So intels press pack sticks these types of benchmarks for reviewers to use to stick to their guidelines .. Nvidia does the same too and AMD, they send them press packs stating what they can benchmark and not when they show the review to the public.He got caught with his pants down as did some of the other reviewers, PC Perspective is another that got caught out by the public by the comments on their videos and forums but they never owned up and admitted to fault as Intel gives them a lot of free goodies and sponsor their channel. I think one of the few youtube channels that say it as it is is Linux Tech Tips, they rarely candy coat their reviews or allow you to read between the lines.
An example here :-
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Random Guy he only did the 2nd video to fix his previous video that clearly was exaggerating real world use
He got caught with his pants down as did some of the other reviewers, PC Perspective is another that got caught out by the public by the comments on their videos and forums but they never owned up and admitted to fault as Intel gives them a lot of free goodies and sponsor their channel. I think one of the few youtube channels that say it as it is is Linux Tech Tips, they rarely candy coat their reviews or allow you to read between the lines.
An example here :-
Thanks for the info. Good to see that those review sites and streams were taken apart for questionable methodologies and cherry-picking of benchmark suites.
Another thing that gets my goat with the CPU reviews is where they only bench the new CPU against the stock-clocked older models instead of including some overclocked-to-overclocked or overclocked [old] to stock clocked [new].
I've done this upgrade. Up front, there are a small number of games that do benefit from this, such as gta v or cryengine stuff, but most will get no change whatsoever, I can guarantee you that. I can't speak for the future though.
This is the kind of upgrade you want rather than need. An overclocked Sandybridge WILL see you through another year, if you can live with very slightly less gloss in a small number of titles.
Ultimately, if you want a big boost in games, your Sandybridge will still power a nice GPU upgrade. The reason I didn't just do that is because I feel its too late in the cycle to drop £500 on another 28nm gpu; i decided to update the rest of my platform instead. Thats my own perogative and i will be upgrading to a pascal/polaris later in the year I also wanted to replace my aging chipset platform, and for that alone, z170 is indeed a big step up.
So in short, you don't need skylake, or even x99. But this is an enthusiasts forum, not a savings bank. We're going to see plenty of people here making the leap, and I say HELL YEA!
This is the kind of upgrade you want rather than need. An overclocked Sandybridge WILL see you through another year, if you can live with very slightly less gloss in a small number of titles.
Ultimately, if you want a big boost in games, your Sandybridge will still power a nice GPU upgrade. The reason I didn't just do that is because I feel its too late in the cycle to drop £500 on another 28nm gpu; i decided to update the rest of my platform instead. Thats my own perogative and i will be upgrading to a pascal/polaris later in the year
I also wanted to replace my aging chipset platform, and for that alone, z170 is indeed a big step up.So in short, you don't need skylake, or even x99. But this is an enthusiasts forum, not a savings bank. We're going to see plenty of people here making the leap, and I say HELL YEA!
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Random Guy he only did the 2nd video to fix his previous video that clearly was exaggerating real world use
He got caught with his pants down as did some of the other reviewers, PC Perspective is another that got caught out by the public by the comments on their videos and forums but they never owned up and admitted to fault as Intel gives them a lot of free goodies and sponsor their channel. I think one of the few youtube channels that say it as it is is Linux Tech Tips, they rarely candy coat their reviews or allow you to read between the lines.
An example here :-
Hmm, so because your a 2600k owner, you believe GTA5, Metro Last Light, Arma 3, World of Tanks (and craploads of other games) to not count if they show a medium to large performance delta between Sandy an Skylake? k
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I've done this upgrade. Up front, there are a small number of games that do benefit from this, such as gta v or cryengine stuff, but most will get no change whatsoever, I can guarantee you that. I can't speak for the future though.
This is the kind of upgrade you want rather than need. An overclocked Sandybridge WILL see you through another year, if you can live with very slightly less gloss in a small number of titles.
Ultimately, if you want a big boost in games, your Sandybridge will still power a nice GPU upgrade. The reason I didn't just do that is because I feel its too late in the cycle to drop £500 on another 28nm gpu; i decided to update the rest of my platform instead. Thats my own perogative and i will be upgrading to a pascal/polaris later in the year
So in short, you don't need skylake, or even x99. But this is an enthusiasts forum, not a savings bank. We're going to see plenty of people here making the leap, and I say HELL YEA!
Thanks for your post. Of course, we are all enthusiasts and hobbyists and the fact is that this is where we choose to spend our hard-earned money. It is not for me to pooh-pooh such upgrade choices as there are plenty of good reasons to go from Sandy to Skylake - be it pure IPC gains or multi-thread heavy applications, platform benefits and so on.
The reason for my post is to put some perspective on what drives me to make the upgrade primarily (i.e. gaming) - and how that stands given the current options. Raw benchmarks with exactly the configuration you are considering upgrading from/to are rare.
I agree with that. And furthermore, CPUs are poorly tested from a gaming perspective. Average fps is a misleading measure of GPU performance, not to mention CPUs. What i want to see are minimum and frametime measurements on overclocked CPUs across different generations in various games. This tends to match well with my subjective experience. When I originally swapped an i7 860 to a Sandybridge, everyone on these forums said it was crazy, a side grade at best when looking at the fps analysis at the time. In reality the gaming experience was night and day. It was a good upgrade.
Digital Foundry's 6700k review was excellent, a proper analysis done from a gaming perspective. The only thing missing was a comparison with an overclocked 5820k. I would have loved to have seen that.
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I'm still trying to figure out the point of Skylake given you can go x99 for pretty much the same price.
+1 for stick with what you have for now.
+1 for stick with what you have for now.
Seems like the 6700k might be the way to go for Virtual Reality.
Minimum frame rates are particularly important (and general FPS stability), so unless Broadwell-e can provide similar results, then I may personally upgrade from a 3770k to a 6700k for VR.
Minimum frame rates are particularly important (and general FPS stability), so unless Broadwell-e can provide similar results, then I may personally upgrade from a 3770k to a 6700k for VR.
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Thanks for the link. The guy does a fairly good job of displaying that a GPU upgrade nets you significantly better gaming performance than a CPU upgrade at 1440p if you're still on Sandybridge. This should relieve the upgrade itch for those using 1440p+ resolutions for a while yet.
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For those on a 980ti and when the next generation com,es out, The gap will rise I guess cause this bloke is only using a 970. So it will start to swing with stronger cards back at higher resolution to the 6700k im thinking?
, I would love to tell him now about the 5930K upgrade I have done and the difference again from a 2600K... But you know what I already tried that when I updated to 6700k and then sent it back.... he didn't listen then and guessing he wont listen again to my findings, because to him Skylake is everything.. and has just blinded him to reality or he has not had enough experience on hardware or had the chance to try out many types of systems with different configurations. (Only thing I got from him is he moved from a 920 to a 6700k and he was shocked how good it was the upgrade, says it all really.. but was a very good upgrade from what he had, which I have to agree with, but my annoyance was when he started to advise people to dump 2600k's for 6700k's, when he had no experience of a 2600k system) @ Ayahuasca the x99 5930K is nice BTW but again I use many multicore/thread apps and I am a heavy multi tasker so it works out better than the silly 6700k upgrade I made from the 2600k, so happy I sent that back and decided well I will grab a 5960x but decided again to not do that and grab a 5930K and wait till the Broadwell-E 10 core CPUS come out and see how they are and update to one of them when the price is right.
Again I will repeat a 2600K for gaming with a 980Ti is still the best bang for your buck and nothing in it for single graphics card use, only time I saw an advantage to Skylake and Haswell-E is in SLI setup.
The 5930K also feels more snappy than the 6700k and 2600k when it comes to heavy multi tasking and using 16GB+ RAM. Apart from that the average user will never notice it in real world use, the 2600k really is a beast of a CPU I have now realised since trying 6700k and now own a 5930K.
Was the upgrade worth it to 5930K from 2600K ? ... Yes if you use Multicore/thread Apps or do a lot of multi tasking or have a high end SLI setup. Single high end graphics card use for gaming = no.
Was the upgrade from 2600k to 6700k worth it ? Simple answer... No ... all it did was waste my time and then cost me to send the stuff back for a refund.
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