7,000 MB/s PCIE 4.0 drives

Troezar · 26 May 2020 at 09:41

I read a while back that the Phison PS5018-E18 controller was set to release H1 2020. Anyone heard anything else on this?

I'm holding off on PCIE 4.0 drives until it looks like they are close to maxing out my X570 board. Should be a long lasting upgrade.

Troezar · 27 May 2020 at 05:46

Joxeon said:
Will probably be on AM5 before that happens.

I'm assuming just a delay for CV, whenever they arrive storage shouldn't be a bottleneck for a while. We'll probably be on AM7+ by the time I next do a big upgrade!

Troezar · 6 Jun 2020 at 07:28

megatron said:
I'm doing the same thing. This is the first I've heard of an Phison E18 (heard of E16 & E12). I also have heard of a Samsung 980 pro gen 4 with 6500MB/s read and I believe it was half that for writes.

Got some links on how SSD compare but they don't mention this latest stuff only reviewed SSD and for some reason don't include a TBW stat in the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...wkR8Cg3kLE9CBoVzQksO9fU5NijfZX5EAY_5i/pubhtml
https://extremehw.net/forum/compone...0-guide-on-choosing-storage-for-your-hardware

Some information here:
https://www.phison.com/en/technologies-gen4/pcie-gen4-awareness/1151-ps5018-e18

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tw...n-ssd-controller-nvme-1-4-up-7gb-sec/amp.html

Can't be far away now...

Troezar · 15 Jun 2020 at 08:17

spoffle said:
That's because current titles are developed to expect lower loading speeds.

Epic has already implemented a few things into Unreal 4 that perform a lot better with SSDs to the point where you'd say it's a requirement.

Lots of games are developed for the lowest common denominator, which are consoles. So games won't typically have requirements for very fast storage because of that. Now that the PS5 and Series X have really fast storage, developers will be pushing their game engines and games down that route.

Exactly this. I think people forget the hardware had to come first. It then takes time to write the software that can make use of it. It was a very long time before 64bit processors wetter being fully utilised. I'm expecting impressive speeds from PC's with high core count CPU's, 32GB RAM and fast NVME once developers get to grips with them. In the meantime we could do with a small app that could demonstrate the potential.

Troezar · 18 Jun 2020 at 05:51

bru said:
Mark Cerny confirmed that the PS5 will be able to use a PCIe gen 4 m.2 drive to expand the PS5's storage, but only certified drives will be able to be used.

From this article. PS5 SSD upgrade

I'm assuming it's your hand drive that will need to be the fast PCIE 4.0 drive? We need capacity to increase quickly as even a 1TB fills quickly these days.

Troezar · 18 Jun 2020 at 07:23

Mcnumpty2323 said:
its useful if you have more than 1 of them
and move a lot of files around
me i am awaiting pci-e x8 drives lol

Agreed, how often do we hear "you'll never need more than..." only to find shortly afterwards that extra speed, RAM, VRAM, storage etc. is necessary. Not that long ago massive arguments were raging over whether more than 4GB of VRAM was needed. Now I hear discussion of 8GB not being enough.

Troezar · 9 Sep 2020 at 11:35

megatron said:
Can't be long now. I heard that the SK hynix s31 gold has 128layer nand and may or may not be pci-e gen 4 but according to storage review it was quite competitive sometimes beating the 970pro (also its an eco friendly drive).

Yes I'm waiting for these 7 GB/s drives. I see there is more information out now on the Phison E18 controller. Looks pretty good. I wouldn't need to upgrade for years with a few of those and a Zen 3 CPU with 32GB of RAM.