737-800 down in China

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A 737 (not a MAX) has come down in China, looks like a complete nosedive after being at FL300 for almost an hour.

There's some footage been posted of the actual aircraft just before it hits the ground but I'm not posting that. The track for the flight shows what happened but obviously not why it happened.

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132 people on board, nobody could have survived that :(

That's a horrible, horrible crash, look at the vertical speed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-60819760
 
I wonder what happened. It was going vertically downwards. Possibly the pilot did it on purpose as I’m not sure what other failure could cause that bar the wings coming off which doesn’t appear to be the case.
 
Just saw the video, ******* hell, it looked like it was being flown vertically down into the ground! And yeah, no survivors in that :(
 
Damn, when you think average rates of descent are normally between 1000-2500fps, that is insane.

I’m surprised the aircraft didn’t break up in the air. The stress on the airframe would have been immense.

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I am sure the passengers would have been out in seconds.
 
VaderDSL said:
Just saw the video, ******* hell, it looked like it was being flown vertically down into the ground! And yeah, no survivors in that :(
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Got a link to the video? Tried searching on YT but it's just videos of the flames afterwards.

Very sad.. I fly a lot and every time I'm about to take off the thought crosses my mind that this could be my last time on Earth and if something, anything goes wrong like it did here, there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it. :(
 
A2Z said:
Got a link to the video? Tried searching on YT but it's just videos of the flames afterwards.

Very sad.. I fly a lot and every time I'm about to take off the thought crosses my mind that this could be my last time on Earth and if something, anything goes wrong like it did here, there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it. :(
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It's all over twitter, you can't not see it if you look at the trending topics.

Looks near enough vertical descent, nose straight down, horrible
 
Vertical. Terrifying.
A2Z said:
Got a link to the video? Tried searching on YT but it's just videos of the flames afterwards.
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Annoyingly the Daily Mail is the best place for the full vid. It is just grainy footage of a plane going literally vertical into the ground.
 
Actually I think this is MCAS failure again. Looking at it a bit more closely the altitude and profile of the descent is consistent with it. MCAS would have detected a stall and put it into a dive which is roughly 20s long. It’s possible at 3,000ft the aircraft was reporting an incorrect speed or the pilot had erroneously not put the flaps down yet and had actually put the aircraft into a stall. Flaps down would have disabled MCAS.

edit: posted a different view below.
 
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delta0 said:
Actually I think this is MCAS failure again. Looking at it a bit more closely the altitude and profile of the descent is consistent with it. MCAS would have detected a stall and put it into a dive which is roughly 20s long. It’s possible at 3,000ft the aircraft was reporting an incorrect speed or the pilot had erroneously not put the flaps down yet and had actually put the aircraft into a stall. Flaps down would have disabled MCAS.
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I might be wrong but wasn't this a 737-800? In which case it wouldn't have MCAS?
 
iamtheoneneo said:
How on earth does a plane just nose dive like that? That has to be intentional right? I always assumed the airframe would generate enough drag to at least give it some horizontal.
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suicide or pilot error when they aren't familiar with a plane.

like the time someone let kids play with the controls.

Autopilot turned off if you held the controls for 30 seconds... then anti stall kicked in.. they kept fighting anti stall and crashed.

if they let go off the controls and did nothing they would have survived, but they didn't understand why the plane was fighting them for lack of training/familiarity with the planes systems.
 
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VaderDSL said:
I might be wrong but wasn't this a 737-800? In which case it wouldn't have MCAS?
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Not sure. Also I see the image posted earlier shows it at 30,000ft, I had seen in another article it was at FL30. I will assume the image posted earlier is correct and therefore this is not likely to be MCAS. More than enough room to recover from a stall or to override any anti stall mechanism. I go back to this being the pilot.
 
The most logical explanation, at least until we have all the facts, surely has to be that there was a critical systems failure resulting in loss of control.
Pilot error/intentional are less likely, but certainly possible.
 
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