737 PIC Autopilot Heeeeelllllpppp

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As the subject says, am having rather a small amount of dificulty engaging the autopilot when using the 737's you get with Pilot in Command.

I have RTFM, but must say, it aint the best. It reads as if it is written for someone who has the intelligence of a gnat. It was supposedly written by a 737 instructor !!!! I was uinder the impression that most of the people who would purchase this software would be rather serious about their flying. Not, into the comics that it appears written for. (Rant over)

Would be grateful if anyone has a 'proper'guide on how to use the 737 autopilot.

Many thanks to all in advance

Paul
 
What functions of the autopilot specifically?

If it's simply that you can't engage it check that Avionics Master is On. That's usually a gotcha especially if there isn't a switch on the panel, you'd need to use a keyboard shortcut for that.
 
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Try this for starters:

- Switch the flight director(s) and autothrottle on before takeoff
- Set runway heading in the heading window
- Set a random altitude, say 10,000ft, in the altitude window
- Takeoff (If you can find the button, press TOGA to set thrust automatically, otherwise, just use full power)
- When above 400ft agl, press the CMD button
- It should engage, you may have to then select heading and level-change, depends how well programmed it is (i've not used it)

You should then be able to use basic functions such as heading, vor/loc, level change, v/s etc. LNAV & VNAV will only be available if you've pre-programmed the FMC.

Let me know how you get on.
 
Flight directors and A/T have nothing to do with the ability to arm the A/P but yet, you should have them on too :)

Autopilot should be able to be engaged when airborne and then you can select services required "HDG SEL", "ALT" etc. Alternatively you can have them highlighted and then arm the a/p. On fs2004 it makes no difference.
As mentioned, Vertical and Lateral Navigation modes are only possible when the FMS has been programmed.
If the A/P is not arming then i would definitely check the AV master! Its caught me out on Concorde model before when A/P wouldn't arm.
 
Cheers all



Will try and look for this Master switch.

Seems a very complicated A/P, but am used to flying in Embraer 170's, so its all a big jump.

Have no probs programming up the FMC, it seems that the bloke writting the manual knew what he was talking about there (shame about the pictures though and just need to get rid of the NAV DATBASE OUT OF DATE message now, could be cause i aint net connected on that)

The main snag i ma having is the altitude control. Doesnt seem to engage fully and have to control alt manually.

Am grateful for responses, but if you can, can you email me through my trust email as internet connection in work very slow (64K between 25 terminals)

Cheers
 
Hmm if your FMC and other autopilot things are working it won't be your avionics master then.

I'll load up PIC 737 and go through the steps myself. Be back later :)
 
Gommsta said:
Flight directors and A/T have nothing to do with the ability to arm the A/P

The autopilot can work independently from the autothrottle but is inherently linked to the flight director - the 2 cannot operate seperately.

If you do not arm the flight director before takeoff, then arming the autopilot will do nothing other than that - it will arm the autopilot but nothing will happen until you then select a "mode", at which point, the flight director will be activated regardless of switch position.

Sorry if that's gibberish but it may help....
 
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This seems an appropriate thread so :p
Is there a decent guide to the best way of quickly programming a FMC around anywhere? I can program it without any problems (PDMG 737), but I seem to need to refer to the manual far too much, & it can get just a little annoying.

-Leezer-
 
chrismox said:
The autopilot can work independently from the autothrottle but is inherently linked to the flight director - the 2 cannot operate seperately.

If you do not arm the flight director before takeoff, then arming the autopilot will do nothing other than that - it will arm the autopilot but nothing will happen until you then select a "mode", at which point, the flight director will be activated regardless of switch position.

Sorry if that's gibberish but it may help....


Just to set the record straight on this point, yes the flight director and autopilot are the same. The flight director will show you command bars on your ADI and you fly to these bars. When you engage the autopilot you are then engaging servo's to move the flying controls which will then fly the aeroplane to the command bars.

If you engage autopilot without flight directors on it will hold your current attitude unless its out of limits. Basically a control wheel steering mode.
 
Leezer,

Glad to know im know the only one out here with snags working this out. May jsut stick with my Embraer 170 and BAe146 for now.

Going slightly off topic, but does anyone know where you can get taxi diagrams for UK airports? Have found 1 oneline site, but it only caters for US airports. Not very handy for a UK VA Pilot :(

Still doesnt feel right posting stuff about FS2004 in a 'games' forum, but hey, do what we must :p
 
leezer3 said:
This seems an appropriate thread so :p
Is there a decent guide to the best way of quickly programming a FMC around anywhere? I can program it without any problems (PDMG 737), but I seem to need to refer to the manual far too much, & it can get just a little annoying.

-Leezer-

I can write a quick idiots' guide if you want?
 
Please. Thats one of the things I've never really found in the FS forums- You seem to be expected to know most of the stuff already. Its not that its difficult as such, rather that there are a huge number of things that need doing in a very specific order or else it all rats up.

-Leezer-
 
:) Yes please:)

The would be brilliant.

As Leezer said, it is just very overwhelming having to get everything in the correct order and if one thing is out, it all goes to a ball of chalk.

Any idea why my FMC says that the nav database is out of date??? and can i update this? If so how?

Ta all

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OK, first a wee disclaimer - I have never used the 737PIC software so if some of this makes no sense, you'll have to make allowances or just ask questions. The following should get you started with a setup of the FMC before takeoff but it is based upon the real FMC (I fly the 737-300 & -800) so there will undoubtedly be differences between the real-world and the flightsim versions. Furthermore, the real-world Boeing FMCs have different software versions (it costs a small fortune to update an FMC to a more up-to-date version) and although the ones I use are the latest release, the version simulated in 737PIC may vary slightly. Having said all of that, I've tried the PMDG 737 for slightsim and the FMC on that was remarkably accurate so fingers crossed the 737PIC one will be too...

So, to start off, the nav database for most Flightsim products can be found here - http://www.navdata.at/php/airac/airac.php
However, it doesn't appear to have one for the 737PIC so try the developers homepage for an update. That said, being out-of-date shouldn't cause too many problems unless you're trying to enter waypoints that didn't exist a month or so ago

Before you start, you'll want a rough idea of where you're going. We'll use the following flightplan: EGKK SAM UN866 LAGUL UN621 ARE UN864 VULPE LEMG
If you don't have a flightplan like this for the route you want, either get some charts, use some planning software or just use the map in flightsim to find some suitable waypoints

This is going to take us from EGKK (Gatwick) to LEMG (Malaga) so put the flightsim aircraft on runway 26L at Gatwick with full fuel tanks

In real-life the FMC would take its position from the INS and/or GPS but in flightsim, it just knows where you are so life is easy!

The INIT/REF button is your best friend on the FMC - it should automtaically take you to whatever page is most relevant so press that now
Press the line-select key next to INDEX on the screen to take you to the menu at any time
Select POS and you'll see the aircraft's position - put the reference airport in this page - EGKK
Line-select ROUTE or press RTE button to go to the ROUTE page
Put EGKK in the ORIGIN box and LEMG in the DEST box
Press DEP/ARR to go to the departures/arrivals page and select DEP next to EGKK
Assuming the nav database is any good, it'll then display a list of runways and their relevant departures
Select runway 26L and a SAM departure
Press RTE
Enter the rest of the route in the following format (after SAM) - airway on the left, waypoint on the right
So, on the ROUTE page that you're on, find the first dashed line on the left (maybe on ROUTE page 2) and put in UN866 which (from our flightplan) is the airway that goes after SAM
We're going to follow this airway to LAGUL so, put LAGUL on the right opposite UN866
Then UN612 on the next line with ARE on the right
Then UN864 on the next line with VULPE on the right
We have now told the FMC which runway we're taking off from, which departure from Gatwick and all the airways we're following from the end of the departure (SAM) to VULPE, which happens to be the start of the arrival we'll follow into Malaga
It's a good idea to give the FMC an idea of our expected arrival into Malaga even though we may not (in real-life) yet know which we'll get - the FMC needs this info to give accurate timing/fuel calculations etc.
Press DEP/ARR
Select ARR nect to LEMG and choose runway 13 (this may be runway 14 on old nav databases because the runway designator only changed recently)
Select a VULPE arrival
In theory, that's the route done but we need to check the details of it on the LEGS page so press LEGS
The LEGS page(s) show all the waypoints that we'll pass whilst flying along the airways that we entered on the ROUTE pages (thing of it in car satnav terms like detailing all the towns you'd pass through if you'd put the M1 motorway in the ROUTE page)
Firstly, there should be no discontinuities which would show up as square boxes (whilst we're here - square boxes always require information in them, dotted lines represent somewhere where info can be put in but is optional)
Press the NEXT PAGE button to cycle through all the LEGS pages and clear any discontinuities (look in your manual for this - it'll make more sense!!!)
You need to activate this route so select ACTIVATE (bottom-right) and press the EXEC button that should then light up
Hopefully you've managed so far....... onto the performance page!
Return to the INIT/REF menu page and select PERF
This is the page that will be tricky in flightsim because I don't know if it will just "know" the weights or whether you have to find them out and enter them
It could also be that the FMC in 737PIC uses lbs rather than kgs that we use here in UK but good luck with this (again, have a look at the manual)!
So, enter you're ZFW (zero fuel weight) on the right
Next your reserves (fuel to destination basically) - you can make this up, if it's kgs then just put in 2.5 or something random
Put 100 in the cost index box (this tells the FMC how economical to be when calculating its climb/cruise speeds etc - don't worry too much)
Put 350 in the cruise altitude (top-right)
Ignore the rest on this page - it's good stuff but we can afford to ignore it!
Select TAKEOFF from the bottom of the PERF page
Depending on which FMC version this thing emulates, you'll probably just need to put in the speeds here
If you know what they should be, great, if not, use - v1=135 vr=135 v2=140 (this'll be good enough)
At the bottom of the takeoff page, it will (hopefully) say PRE-FLT COMPLETE
If it doesn't, it'll tell you what needs attention.

I've missed a LOT out here but hopefully this'll get you in the air with a route to Malaga and a fully-functioning FMC that will therefore allow you to use LNAV and VNAV modes on the autopilot

Get airborne, wheels up, put the autopilot in at 400ft, get the flaps up at 1500ft, press LNAV and VNAV and look out the window for 2 hours.........

Feel free to ask questions on anything (most I imagine!) that doesn't make any sense

Lastly, look here for a bit more info - http://www.b737.org.uk/fmc.htm
 
Just keep on flying with it and you will pcik things up once you go along. When you get the hang of the fmc and auto pilot it all seems very simple
 
hmmm, flaps/ft is not something I've ever seen...

The takeoff page on recent FMC firmwares has a box for takeoff flaps on the takeoff page in which you should (usually) just put "5" but no idea about flaps.

Changing various things would delete the takeoff speeds - takeoff flap (as you've found out), takeoff assumed temp (which we didn't discuss above and is irrelevant in flightsim where you can't properly calculate takeoff performance and you're not concerned about the life of your engines!) and probably a couple of others that I can't think of.

However, no problems - you should just be able to re-enter the speeds. Blanking the displays sounds like a bug unfortunately.
 
Have you got a link to the 737PIC manual so I can see what you mentioned?

EDIT - I just noticed you're talking about the PMDG 737, not the 737PIC one.
 
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