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7850 to 660Ti - Weird situation

Rusty0611 said:
I'm posting in this discussion because last time I checked you're allowed to post in a discussion regarding a graphics card that you don't have. :)
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I'm posting in this discussion because last time I checked you're allowed to post in a discussion regarding a graphics card that you don't have any personal experience of and base all my comments off what I've read on't interweb!
 
@Rusty0611
What I was trying to do was build a budget PC that would do 95% of what a PC like yours will do. Running multi-monitors is out of the question for a budget build though.
I am not trying to be smug, in fact I feel that I have had my trousers pulled down as I purchased a HD7950 expecting it to be a great card for the money.
Mine wasn't.
I was forced to buy a replacement card as I didn't want another HD 7950
The GTX 660 Ti was the card closest to my budget.
The short of it is, I paid too much although it is a great card and I was pleasantly surprised with how good it is.
 
SkodaMart said:
I'm posting in this discussion because last time I checked you're allowed to post in a discussion regarding a graphics card that you don't have any personal experience of and base all my comments off what I've read on't interweb!
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What? A card is a card you don't need experience of using it lmao.

SkodaMart said:
@Rusty0611
What I was trying to do was build a budget PC that would do 95% of what a PC like yours will do. Running multi-monitors is out of the question for a budget build though.
I am not trying to be smug, in fact I feel that I have had my trousers pulled down as I purchased a HD7950 expecting it to be a great card for the money.
Mine wasn't.
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Yours was faulty if it didn't perform properly. As said many times before, the 7950 is just a better card in the same way a 7970 is better than a 7950. If you had got a replacement card you would now be having better experience for your money paid.

But whatever, it's your money at the end of the day.
 
SkodaMart said:
I'm posting in this discussion because last time I checked you're allowed to post in a discussion regarding a graphics card that you don't have any personal experience of and base all my comments off what I've read on't interweb!
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LOLWHUT?!

If people on these forums posted only on what cards they've owned, then these forums would be deader than than the Lib Dems' election prospects!

Rusty knows what he's talking about...

PS - 7950>660Ti
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/550?vs=647
 
Cleeecooo said:
I didn't want to be accused of being biased :p
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If you actually look at the benchmark you have proudly presented, you will notice that the GTX 660Ti beats or comes very close to the HD 7950 with boost on both the Heaven Benchmark and Skyrim.

Now what I said based on FACT and my personal experience with the two cards is this:

The GTX 660 Ti is better in the games I play at 1080p
namely

World of Tanks
The Witcher 2
Skyrim

I also tested it on the Heaven 3.0 benchmark and the 660 Ti came out on top.

Now go and have a look at your own test results and you will see I am right.

The HD 7950 is better in SOME games and at higher resolution.
 
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SkodaMart said:


If you actually look at the benchmark you have proudly presented, you will notice that the GTX 660Ti beats the HD 7950 with boost on both the Heaven Benchmark and Skyrim.
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errr... no it doesn't ;)

Heaven:
7950: 57.7
660Ti: 55.3

you're correct about Skyrim at 1200p though (going by my link). Overall, the 7950 wins if you were to add up all the FPS' and compare that to the 660Ti. It's even better at higher resolutions, it can be argued that they are equal at 1080p.
 
Cleeecooo said:
errr... no it doesn't ;)

Heaven:
7950: 57.7
660Ti: 55.3

you're correct about Skyrim at 1200p though (going by my link). Overall, the 7950 wins if you were to add up all the FPS' and compare that to the 660Ti. It's even better at higher resolutions, it can be argued that they are equal at 1080p.
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The Anand bench was done on old drivers Cleeecooo. AMDs fault of course for releasing the cards with such rubbishly performing drivers (compared to now).

Also you got to factor in overclocking with the 7950 really. If you aren't going to overclock, the card doesn't show its potential. If you aren't going to overclock then you're looking at paying a premium for a GTX 670 or perhaps picking a pre overclocked custom cooled 7950.
 
Rusty0611 said:
The Anand bench was done on old drivers Cleeecooo. AMDs fault of course for releasing the cards with such rubbishly performing drivers (compared to now).

Also you got to factor in overclocking with the 7950 really. If you aren't going to overclock, the card doesn't show its potential. If you aren't going to overclock then you're looking at paying a premium for a GTX 670 or perhaps picking a pre overclocked custom cooled 7950.
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I agree with this. Although even the pre overclocked 7950's dont really show their true potential either, I am sure the OEM's have been limited by AMD so that they cant release 7950's at clock speeds which match the 7970's performance.

7950's NEED to be overclocked :D
 
psychodil said:
I agree with this. Although even the pre overclocked 7950's dont really show their true potential either, I am sure the OEM's have been limited by AMD so that they cant release 7950's at clock speeds which match the 7970's performance.

7950's NEED to be overclocked :D
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Yeah they do.

The only problem I have about my statement and it was enough for me to consider not posting it at all as I'm sure I've picked up on someone (probably humbug) before:

It is widely agreed that there has been driver improvements made from 12.7 onwards. However, there isn't enough evidence to really quantify the increase in performance. What you have is comments from AMD users with questionable motives (I'm talking in general here) saying performance has increased by 'loads' or something similar. The last thing most people want to do is advise somebody to purchase a card based on exaggerated information from an end user. This is why on my own triple-screen/SLI testing I did each test 3 times to try to eliminate mistakes.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18444958

Anyway, the mass majority of reviews on the AMD 7000 series were conducted before the driver improvements and the reviews after then are often ad-hoc reviews of custom cooled cards (e.g. the HardOCP review). You have to treat these with caution because even on the day 1 reviews which are published there is such a large deviation between what the reviewers see and record for whatever reason be it:

a) bias
b) natural deviation (i.e. anomalies)
c) poor testing approach
d) other

The problem for people purchasing is they'll often google a review of said graphics card and they'll find the original review of the reference 7950 with its underclocked core/memory speed and old dodgy drivers. They would quite rightly be turned off by this and sway more towards the 'better performing' 670/660Ti (again going on release day reviews). It's difficult to get people to understand the improvements that AMD have undoubtedly made without enough proper evidence and with the original reference model reviews still attracting a lot of hits the same questions will keep arising :).
 
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If there is actually a lack of data for driver improvements on the AMD side, i'm sure I can chips in with some results on BF3/heaven etc
 
^^ Which is why I like honest user bench results. I see no reason to exagerate as it would look a little silly when caught out. I do wish with this thread being a GPU thread, more users would have posted some bench marks for varying cards.
 
I will go first then.
Totally stock using the OCUK default settings at 1080p.

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