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7970: Another Disappointment from AMD

If this thing was priced at a 6970 price point it would fly off shelves (or warehouses ;) )

But why would AMD price a product which is faster than a 580 below a 580 when they believe the product will sell just fine.

I agree if they were £299.99 Inc they would indeed sell like hot cakes, but that will never happen whilst demand outweighs supply, but who knows by March/April when supply is easily available I am sure pricing will be more reasonable though maybe not at £299, but all will be revealed on the 9th.
 
according to this, a 7970 is nearly as good as 580 SLI and 7970 crossfire blows 580SLI out of the water at higher resolutions;
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...ossfire-performance-review-battlefield-3.html

I have a tough time believing it though as all of hardware heaven's 7970 scores seem significantly higher than any other reviews

The 7970 is a very good card to be honest, considerably quicker than 6970, quieter, cooler, similar power draw and more features.

However that review is unfair, they are using 1.5GB GTX 580's and to be fair they should be using 3GB varients for a fair comparison.
 
Its definately VERY fishy that most reviews i have seen have not compared it to a 580 3GB. Thats SOOO blindingly obvious its rather silly.:rolleyes:
Lots of reviews are choking the 1.5GB VRAM of GTX580 on 2560/5780 res max setting with AA to pass off 7970 being hugely better card when it's not...

To be honest, I don't give a rat about if the 7970 was 30% faster, 50% faster, or even 100% faster that those res, if it is only 8-12% faster at 1920 res, and at 12-14% higher in price.

Hope it is just a good old case of xx70 not as bang for bucks as the xx50 here. Hope that AMD won't cripple to many shaders on the 7950, and price it at around £100 lower than the xx70 like usual.
 
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I've seen enough of these yearly release-drama festivals to be able to distill it down to these few points:

-AMD trailing nVidia, who hold the single-card crown
-AMD marketing dept. tout grain-of-salt performance gains for new cards over last gen
-AMD release, numbers are obviously lower than promised but still respectable, some people are OUTRAGED that a marketing dept. would inflate numbers
-speculation about drivers + overclocking giving AMDs top single-card the lead over whatever nVidia have planned
-nVidia release and obviously it beats AMD again, regains single-card crown
-rinse, repeat

...point of this thread = ???
 
I've seen enough of these yearly release-drama festivals to be able to distill it down to these few points:

-AMD trailing nVidia, who hold the single-card crown
-AMD marketing dept. tout grain-of-salt performance gains for new cards over last gen
-AMD release, numbers are obviously lower than promised but still respectable, some people are OUTRAGED that a marketing dept. would inflate numbers
-speculation about drivers + overclocking giving AMDs top single-card the lead over whatever nVidia have planned
-nVidia release and obviously it beats AMD again, regains single-card crown
-rinse, repeat

...point of this thread = ???
What's different in the cycle for this year is that AMD is asking for more money than ever before.

Some people were saying how AMD was thinking they charge to little for their 5870 on launch...so they learned their lesson and decide to up the price this time round. But the thing is, unlike the 5870, it is not the first flagship graphic card on a new dx version...and performance wise, while the 7970 is now the fastest single GPU card...everyone knows that the performance is underwhelming, considering Nvidia managed close performance on the GTX580 on the old 40nm process. People can't help but to question if they are making use of the 28nm process effective enough.

So a chip which is 37% smaller (378mm² vs 520mm²), 10% faster than the next fastest single GPU and uses significantly less power is a disappointment?

Oh ok.
If you look at the amount of people going SLI and Crossfire, then you should know that people generally don't care too much about the chip being smaller or lower power-consumption, they just want as much performance out of the graphic card(s) as possible.
 
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Its a card for entusiasts.
the cutting edge.
There be other cards for people who simply isnt the target audience with the world fastest single core card.
Its a reason the 6870/570 and such cards outsell the 580/7970/6990 a lot.
just ask Gibbo ;)
 
If you look at the amount of people going SLI and Crossfire, then you should know that people generally don't care too much about the chip being smaller or lower power-consumption, they just want as much performance out of the graphic card(s) as possible.

Actually they do from a PSU and heat in the system perspective as they can both be a problem.
 
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If you look at the amount of people going SLI and Crossfire, then you should know that people generally don't care too much about the chip being smaller or lower power-consumption, they just want as much performance out of the graphic card(s) as possible.
Oh I wouldn't disagree. There are a couple of factors not really included at the moment.
1) Aftermarket cooling / 3rd party designs - this will reveal the 7970 to be the overclocking beast that it is.
2) Smaller / Cooler chip - the dual-chip solution (7990?) will be a complete monster.
 
It seems like AMD can do no right recently: their Bulldozer chip was designed for a world that doesn't exist, and consequently is sometimes even outperformed by the old Phenom 2 Quads. Now we have this 7970, which by all account seems to be about 30-35% faster than a 6970, and (in terms of minimums) is only just ahead of the 40nm GTX580!

At 28nm you have roughly double the transistors per area compared with 40nm, yet the 7970, which is almost the same size as the 6970, is only 1/3 faster. It should be at least twice as far ahead of the 6970 even on immature drivers. Given that the 40nm GTX-580 is only just behind the 7970 specifically for minimums (which is really the only thing that matters), AMD is surely going to get destroyed when Nvidia moves to 28nm.

Think about it this way: For 3.4 billion transistors, AMD could have done no research at all and simply integrated two 6870s onto a single die (similar to 5870 vs 4870), ramping the clock speed up 20-30% to somewhere over 1Ghz (28nm would easily allow this). This would have produced performance somewhere close to a 6990, and far ahead of the 7970. Instead, AMD have spent lots of money on research and used 4.1 billion transistors to produce performance far worse than a 6990.

There has to be something wrong with a company when the fruits of their research are far worse than if they hadn't bothered doing any.

Sorry but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

The 6970 is a good card, 30% over last gen is still perfectly acceptable. Added to that, its not even been released yet, as drivers mature we'll likely see another 10%.

It will be expensive, but you will always have to pay a premium for the best cards. Granted its not miles ahead of the 580 at the moment, but the 580 was a good card.

I honestly dont see why people feel theneed to bash on companies whether it be nvidia/ati/amd or intel. If you dont like it, don't buy it.
 
I've seen enough of these yearly release-drama festivals to be able to distill it down to these few points:

-AMD trailing nVidia, who hold the single-card crown
-AMD marketing dept. tout grain-of-salt performance gains for new cards over last gen
-AMD release, numbers are obviously lower than promised but still respectable, some people are OUTRAGED that a marketing dept. would inflate numbers
-speculation about drivers + overclocking giving AMDs top single-card the lead over whatever nVidia have planned
-nVidia release and obviously it beats AMD again, regains single-card crown
-rinse, repeat

...point of this thread = ???

It's been a very long time since nvidia could claim the fastest single card crown.
 
I won't be upgrading but I think for anyone with a 580 (especially oc'd like myself) would only see small gains. However for most others it looks like a good upgrade but only if the price falls a tad.
 
Not sure why some people are surprised at the rumoured price, high end has always been poor value compared to mid range. Take the GTX570 and 580, the GTX580 is £90 more and only 20% faster... poor value indeed.

Lets say the HD7970 is 10% faster than a GTX580 and costs 12% more its actually very good value if you take into account the performance/price ratio you usually see at the high end market.

People expecting the HD7970 that is faster, more efficient and has some cool features to be the same price as a GTX580 are living in a dream land.
 
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