7D LENSES....

alexx

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Ok, so I'm used to shooting video on a 5dmk2 and I've been looking all over and cannot decide what to buy...

I have 2k to spend and I own a 50mm 1.8.

Do I get a 7D for £860 (body) and then some lenses? or do I get a 5D (£1400) and a lens?

I really like the 24-70 canon lens but its a hell of a lot of monies and a bit wasted on a cropped frame... not got a clue about sigma ect...

I know the Tokina 11-16mm EF-S is good for the cropped body... but unsure which long lens I'd use... obv wanting something fixed at 2.8.

Please help as the advice I can read so far is assuming of a hauge budget


Thanks
 
Use wise:

I live in France in the Alps, so I'll be wanting to do a few stitched panoramas, I will also be mainly using it for video and the only place I can think there won't be too much light is within the woods in summer (downhill biking)... however winter shouldnt be a problem with light.

I've also got a pair of gopro 2's and a hv30 to use along side for coverage / alternative shots so I could put up with 1 good lens for now if you guys think thats best?
 
i used to use a 50d and a sigma 18-50 f/2.8 but i recently bought a 5d2 and a 24-70. absolutley blown away. its a fantastic combination that is worth every penny. i have never used a 7d so i cant comment from that side. i guess it depends on what you are going to use the camera for. if you are used to a 5d2 then there is a good argument to buy one. i have no idea how video differs from a 5d2 to a 7d.

^^lol not much help but i love my 5d2 and 24-70!
 
Canon 5D2 + 24-105L + 50mm f/1.4 would be my recommendation, and that should cost a smidgen under £2k, if I remember correctly.
 
Main benefits to me for a 5d are:

Wide Lenses
Full use of good lenses ie 24-70 L
Solid Build
Supported by Magic Lantern Firmware (has some useful things for videographers)

7D:
More budget friendly
More slow mo friendly
Faster camera for action (if I do any shooting it'll be long exposures or action shots)
 
Ksanti - off the top of my head that 24-105l is a f4? I'd need a 2.8 mainly for video uses and I dont think I'd use the benefit of the 1.4 50mm over the 1.8 (as im mainly using it for video).
 
If you are shooting action stuff, and possibly even using it to shoot video while moving, which it sounds like you might be... then you want something with IS for sure. The 24-105L certainly fits the bill for that and isn't too heavy.

I think you are in a bit of a pickle about deciding which camera to go for.
Really I'd say it's up to you to decide whether you will be shooting video more than taking stills. The 7D is certainly better for action stills. The 5D might serve you better as a Videographer, but then really I'd say it's also down to if you actually make money using it?

Be nice if Canon hurried up and released the 5D Mk3 and we probably wouldn't have these problems!
 
haha very true about the mk3 - i've been holding off since the mk2 came out for the mk3... also if they had updated the firmware to 60fps for the 5d2 this also wouldnt be a question! DAMMIT canon!

I will be making money from it all yep - probably very decent cash but right now I don't have decent cash sadly as it's all tied up :(

the fact the 105l is F4 is its biggest killer if it was 2.8 I'd have it now!
 
alexx said:
haha very true about the mk3 - i've been holding off since the mk2 came out for the mk3... also if they had updated the firmware to 60fps for the 5d2 this also wouldnt be a question! DAMMIT canon!

I will be making money from it all yep - probably very decent cash but right now I don't have decent cash sadly as it's all tied up :(

the fact the 105l is F4 is its biggest killer if it was 2.8 I'd have it now!
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Well there lies the other big one... when will we have a zoom lens in that range which is F/2.8 and has IS!

I'd buy both that and the 5D mk3 as soon as they were available!
 
Personally I go for a 7D with a selection of lens due to type of video that I would do and then spend on getting a stability kit like a steadycam or something like that.

With video I don't understand why people want to get a 5D MKII just for video. If it was just video I would get an Sony A55 or something that has autofocus.
 
Its not just for video there lies the problem I'll be making good use of it as a camera as well.

Also I'm well experienced with steadycam kits prosumer and £40k professional rigs but they are just not worth it and what I will be shooting will most likely be tracking shots on skis, glidetracked or tripodded. the rest can be left to the gopro2's
 
alexx said:
haha yep! does IS stop down the camera at all? I just saw the description said 3 stops?
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No.

Some of the extenders will do that. But none of the Canon lenses with IS I've owned ever cause it to stop down and loose aperture.

Store wise I don't know, whatever has the best deal I suppose?
Try Camerapricebuster or whatever it's called, as they usually have a round up of prices for all Nikon and Canon gear.
 
Schizophonic said:
With video I don't understand why people want to get a 5D MKII just for video. If it was just video I would get an Sony A55 or something that has autofocus.
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I think with the 5D it's because it's got that full frame sensor, which does have a little better image quality, but more than anything it's got better low light performance, works better with wide EF lenses (which you are more likely to be using with video). Then it also just has the association that entire movies have been shot using them.

The 7D is perfectly competent for making videos though.
 
Schizo - It's because it's the cheapest way into full frame cinematography and is a wonderful stills camera as well.

OP: Bear in mind that the 24-105 f/4L on a 5D2 will offer pretty much the same DoF as the 24-70 f/2.8 on a 7D in like-for-like images, as well as offering IS (almost essential), lighter build and a less severe cost.
 
3 stops on IS means you can shoot at 3 stops slower shutter speed than normally reocmmended

example, 105mm you will need roughly 1/125s With IS theoretically you can shoot at 1/15s. Bear in mind this doesnt freeze motion, its for static images. I have no clue how this would relate to video as i guess you are trying to over come shake from the rig, movement as well.

also worth considering is the 24-70 is a parfocal lens (i think thats what its called) the focus point doesnt change when adjusting zoom, thats a good feature for video as it means you utalise the zoom without haveing to push or pull focus at the same time. I know other canon lenses are but i couldnt tell you off the top of my head.
 
thanks for the info 33l, i didnt know about the parfocal thing (I assumed after working with a 24-70) they all did that! interesting to know - however luckily its not likely you'll do any pull outs when in video.

I'm actually warming a lot to the 24-105 lens - i think that and the 7d are worth a punt for their speed.. and in about 6months I bet the 5dmk3 is out making the mk2 a lot cheaper.. so probably best avoided at this time.... also leaves me some cash for other gubbins :)

thanks for the help guys - appreciated.
 
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