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8800 gtx price increased ?

so if say your bfg goes bang and you send it back to be replaced they are going to give you a 9800gtx now arnt they,so your downgrading in a way

No as they would not replace with a 9800 GTX (well they shouldn't as that would be illegal), as they have to give equal or better performance, so an 8800 GTX owner can only get a choice of 3x cards as replacement, either another 8800 GTX being the equal, or an 8800 ULtra/9800 GX2 being the better.:)

Then again, the 9800 GX2 may be seen as a downgrade, as it would be in games that are not SLi supported. :p
 
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Yea, GC sector has been so stale this past year.

That will hopefully end soon. We have seen the dual GPU on one PCB though which is a good start. X1950 DUAL was out ages ago at the end of the X1900 era but it never really took off as either G80 was already out or it was on it's way. So that is a good sign for future dual ATI cards.

Totally correct. So now the 8800 GTX & Ultra is the only card with over 512Mb of video memory (not shared). I can only see the demand going up as people realise that these are the only cards that have playable framerates at higher resolutions with 4xAA

Yeah the mind boggles with the restrictions of these new cards at high resolution and AA compared to the G80GTX/Ultra. Big screens are getting cheaper all the time and people are buying them left right and centre. Also the same with LCD screens for PC's. Why then should a company make a move which will expose the card's weaknesses more easily with most people having bigger resolutions to play with, is beyond me?. Then you have the 9800GTX badge slapped on it and when people are firing up their HD screens they notice that when they were at a friends house earlier the same game at the same resolution seemed that bit smoother and they had the older GTX, "surely this can't be right" is what will be on the uninformed mind.

I'm really looking forward to the new Nvidia name as they can't continue with the 9800GTX/GX2 badge. I think it's tarnished personally as it's nothing over a GTS 512mb apart from an overclock and GX2 being GTS SLI. Even 9900 wouldn't be suitable. I think they have to move away from that and create something new. This all depends if the new card is a monster or not though. If it's just a bit more powerful than a G80GTX at high resolution and faster than a G92 GTS at lower resolutions then that would warrant the 9900 namesake but if it whoops these cards then it's going be leaps and bounds ahead in performances from the same 9 series name and I think that's going to be confusing.

Imagine reading a review of a game that stated this below (example).

1920x1200 8xAA/16xAF HDR (Random game)

8800GTX = 57.3FPS
9800GTX = 47.9FPS
9900GTX = 91.7FPS

That will be messed up lol :D.
 
Glad i managed to get my XFX8800GTX at it's cheapest here £139.99+VAT, plus the 8400 at £135 (elsewhere). Takes some of the pain out of forking out £185 for the 1TB Samsung F1 only to see it drop to £100 within a month or so of buying it. That hurt!
 
Resolution and AA dependant. My screen is capable of 2048x1536 and Helmut's is similar. The 9800GTX can not deliver us the bandwidth that the G80GTX/Ultra can at this resolution especially with AA/AF/HDR.

So if your resolution is 1680x1050 then the 9800GTX will be faster in most cases although over 4xAA could start seeing more strain on the card.

That's the point I'm making, my screen is capable of 1680x1080 max and I'm not an AA whore, so given the choice I'd rather have a 9800GTX due to the better performance at midrange settings and reduced power footprint etc.

Sure, if I were to upgrade to a CRT or go with a bigger TFT then the 8800GTX would come in to it's own, but by the time I get round to doing that, much faster cards will probably be around (gf10/11+) and modern games of that era would be too slow on a 8800gtx in those settings anyway.

It's a bit like the days of the gf4 ti4200 - you could get a 64 or 128meg model, but the 64meg version had a higher memory speed. Ultimately the 128meg version would be faster at very high res+AA, but games would be unplayable on both cards in those situations anyway.

I can understand why people with highend monitors go with the 8800GTX, but for me the 9800GTX would be a great option were it priced more aggressively. Heck, even if I had a better monitor, there's no way I'd be wanting to run games like Crysis in those kind of resolutions regardless of which card I had.
 
That's the point I'm making, my screen is capable of 1680x1080 max and I'm not an AA whore, so given the choice I'd rather have a 9800GTX due to the better performance at midrange settings and reduced power footprint etc.

Yes, for you it's the better option but you said "The thing is, I'm not convinced the 8800GTX is really that much better than the 9800GTX.".

All I did was point out that it's resolution and AA dependant on what you said. You don't want someone with a 1920x1200 capable screen coming in and reading that as then he/she could go out and get the wrong card for high resolution gaming with AA/AF/HDR.

Sure, if I were to upgrade to a CRT or go with a bigger TFT then the 8800GTX would come in to it's own, but by the time I get round to doing that, much faster cards will probably be around (gf10/11+) and modern games of that era would be too slow on a 8800gtx in those settings anyway.

Your reasoning is sound. The 9800GTX would be fine and when you do upgrade your screen then the newer cards will handle this better than today. I do have to question why the 9800GTX when a much cheaper 8800GTS 512mb does pretty much the same thing?. Yes, some 9800GTX's overclock better than the average GTS but I've seen a few 9800GTX users who have reverted back to the GTS due to minimal differences between the two as well as not clocking as great as others have been.

It's a bit like the days of the gf4 ti4200 - you could get a 64 or 128meg model, but the 64meg version had a higher memory speed. Ultimately the 128meg version would be faster at very high res+AA, but games would be unplayable on both cards in those situations anyway.

Yes, well kind of but the gap has closed and only 1 game is really rendered unplayable at high resolution and that's Crysis. I don't base current tech with one game.

There's not many games rendered unplayable at high resolution with AA today?. It's only in some titles also that the 8800GTS/9800GTX/9800GX2 get affected by the limited interface. Not in all titles.

I can understand why people with highend monitors go with the 8800GTX, but for me the 9800GTX would be a great option were it priced more aggressively. Heck, even if I had a better monitor, there's no way I'd be wanting to run games like Crysis in those kind of resolutions regardless of which card I had.

Yes for me it has to be the G80GTX, for you the GTS 512mb IMO.

I'm sorry but I have to say that you would want to run at these resolutions if your card could do it. The reason being is that high resolution gaming looks better without contest and you always start at the highest resolution and work your way back until it's playable. Crysis at high resolution obviously is an issue with the best settings as it'll take some card to achieve this. If you had a bigger resolution screen and most games would run fast enough then you'd be playing at those resolutions. I've ran at 1280x1024 with my X1900XT for half the time I had that card and when I got a 22" LCD screen with 1680x1050 I've never looked back as games look so much better this way. I then got rid of my LCD and got a bigger resolution ViewSonic CRT screen as I enjoy high res gaming and didn't like the refresh rate of 6ms on the LCD screen.

All I'm trying to say is don't knock high resolution gaming until you try it. Saying that you wouldn't use it when it makes things look sharper is the reason why I'm questioning you here.
 
I need a new card ASAP, would I be ok buying an EVGA 8800GT 512mb the cheapest one I can find and then use the step up warranty to buy one of the newer Nvidia cards when released hopefully no later than June to early July? Do you guys think it would work or should I hang back for a little longer see what ATI bring out?
 
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