9/11 anti-conspiracy videos/sites?

[Rilot]

and yes, it is spelled with an "a"

Sorry. I guess that debunks all my arguements. You got me there. Grats.

Do you really think that the US government conspired to kill thousands of it's own people?
And what about the missile or unmanned plane "theories"? Where are the people who were on those planes that were unmanned? I think the relatives of the people who died are pretty sure they're dead. Or are you saying that the US government bumped them off? Or maybe they were payed off to keep their mouths shut? That would be one hell of a conspiracy to pull off.

I shall belive the official account of events. THe one I watched live on TV. The one in which some of my collegues died.

 

[neo202020]

I'm clearly very slow but could you just explain to me what purpose building 7 (?) collapsing served in a conspiracy? I've not looked into whether it did or didn't collapse so I'm taking your word on that here, I'd just like to know why you think it suited any conspiracy to have it collapse? Particularly if, as you claim, it was a significant distance away.

It did collapse and it contained the offices of the US Secret Service, the Securities and Exchange Commission etc. Some of the hard drives recovered from this building contained some very interesting information about illegal financial transactions and insider trading. The theory is that this building was destroyed because it was used as the command centre for the operation.

Obviously, as I said above, how do you expect a handful of individuals to know what actually happened? All they can say is, it's odd that a building would collapse like that, even if it did sustain some damage.

 

[neo202020]

Sorry. I guess my dyslexia debunks all my arguements. You got me there. Grats.

Wow, you're following the Debunker's Protocol rev. 2.3 to the letter.

Article 4
Whenever possible, ignore the substance of the argument. Instead, choose the most irrelevant aspect of a statement and focus all your energy on it.

 

[Glaucus]

Obviously, as I said above, how do you expect a handful of individuals to know what actually happened? All they can say is, it's odd that a building would collapse like that, even if it did sustain some damage.

No it's not odd at all, look at videos, listen to the firemen. It sustained huge amounts of damage.
That's the thing, you say you need money but you don't. Break each conspiracy into separate bits. Then each bit can usually be discredited by footage or artefacts found.

You lot are so gullible and it amazes me. yes the goverment haven't released everything. they never do. it's called security. That doesn't mean you can just blindly believe rubbish.

 

[psychas]

But that's the thing the conspiracy theorists can't find anything odd. The stuff they do "find" is total BS and can easily be discredited with out huge research.

i dare you to explain for example all Riple effect(documentary movie) without any huge research ? will see how you will get on

 

[Rilot]

Whenever possible, ignore the substance of the argument. Instead, choose the most irrelevant aspect of a statement and focus all your energy on it.

Now read my edited post.

I was only drawing attention to your total nit-picking, that attempts to devalue my argements by poking holes in something irrelevant, such as my spelling.

What do you want me to say? That I've investigated it completely like all these so called "scientists"?
All I am saying is that I have seen nothing but hot air from people who claim to have "proof" that it was an inside job.

Please post some evidence. Please. I really want to see it.

For god's sake man. Answer this question:

Do you really think the US government, in cahoots with the UK government conspired to murder thousands of it's own people?

 

[firstborn]

Why not address the fact that the buildings collapsed at virtually freefall speed and into their own footprints, DEFYING every law of physics known to man?

That actually made me laugh out loud! Which laws of physics did the US government conspire to break? Was the tower travelling faster then light or something?

Made me laugh out loud to, compelling me to contribute to the sillyness in this thread

 

[psychas]

i can answer that yes usa government kill there own people ^

 

[@if ®afiq]

Do you really think the US government, in cahoots with the UK government conspired to murder thousands of it's own people?

They lied about their reasons for attacking Iraq which has resulted in the deaths of far more of their own people....something to think about.

 

[semi-pro waster]

It did collapse and it contained the offices of the US Secret Service, the Securities and Exchange Commission etc. Some of the hard drives recovered from this building contained some very interesting information about illegal financial transactions and insider trading. The theory is that this building was destroyed because it was used as the command centre for the operation.

Hmm, still sounds rather unlikely to me, let's face it if you are going to make a conspiracy then it doesn't make a lot of sense to draw attention to where people will allege it was planned by collapse and having it a good distance away.

Obviously, as I said above, how do you expect a handful of individuals to know what actually happened? All they can say is, it's odd that a building would collapse like that, even if it did sustain some damage.

We're again at the stage that all too many conspiracy theories arrive at, you'll give the government (or whoever) so much credit in the planning and execution that they can sort it out and make everyone keep schtum yet somehow not with the intelligence to outwit a few sleuths on the internet. Conspiracy theorists tend to credit the conspirers with too much intelligence but simultaneously also too little.

Your statement above works both ways, "how do you expect a handful of individuals to know what actually happened?" - indeed, and therefore why should I trust a few people on the internet with grainy footage any more than I should distrust the official governmental line?

 

[Rilot]

i can answer that yes usa government kill there own people ^

Proof?
Show me some evidence that it was a conspiracy and that it wasn't islamic extremists.

They lied about their reasons for attacking Iraq which has resulted in the deaths of far more of their own people....something to think about.

True, but there is a difference between deliberately murdering civilians in a single act of violence, and the ongoing attrition of military personell in a war.

 

[MookJong]

there so many facts that dont add up why for example why would building 7 or 21 cant remember the name would collapse blocks away from two towers why would not show tape form hotel cameras that plane hit the pentagon !? as there was no plane.

so obvious something was wrong at 9/11 and people who believe is terrorist is brain washed by media.

planes that hit two towers were not commercial planes. the mobile phone calls from plane how the hell ? and all etc just dont ads up

It's people like you who will prevent there ever being an independent enquiry into what really happened. Every time you pass on and support these kinds of propagated internet mis-truths you take us further and further away from the real and credible questions that still have no answers.~

The real cover up is because the government ****ed up on grand scale and could have easily prevented what happened. The whole plot was staring them right in the face and through their utter incompetence they failed to act. Bush even stopped by presidential order the FBI from investigating the money links to terrorist groups in case it upset the Saudi's.

All this is documented, while nothing you have said has even a shred of physical evidence.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Bit of a failed crusade for oil really wasn't it given the USA has access to no more oil than it did before Iraq etc and now pays 10 times as much for it.

People who think it was about that are a tad simple, I fear.

 

[neo202020]

Do you really think that the US government conspired to kill thousands of it's own people?

Yes, I do.

And what about the missile or unmanned plane "theories"? Where are the people who were on those planes that were unmanned? I think the relatives of the people who died are pretty sure they're dead. Or are you saying that the US government bumped them off? Or maybe they were payed off to keep their mouths shut? That would be one hell of a conspiracy to pull off.

I mentioned in my very first post in this thread that we ought to look at the science. I also said that we should forget about all that crap. It's clearly nonsense made up by people either for their personal gain or simply because they have nothing better to do.

I shall belive the official account of events.

Well, that ends this conversation then You see, I shall believe the account of events which I find the most credible. That's a point on which we clearly differ.

The one in which some of my collegues died.

Ohh, the drama, the emotion. I feel terrible for bringing this up, but the fact that someone you know died in 9/11 makes it incumbent on you to find out the truth, not to demand that anyone who wishes to uncover it be condemned.

 

[neo202020]

It's people like you who will prevent there ever being an independent enquiry into what really happened. Every time you pass on and support these kinds of propagated internet mis-truths you take us further and further away from the real and credible questions that still have no answers.

Couldn't agree more mate. Good post.

 

[yak.h'cir]

yes the hotel collapsed as the tower went on top of it.but not building 7!(there was fire on it but very marginal) .

You need a better source, WT7 took a massive hit by the collapsing WT1 and many pictures and videos from a lot of different sources confirm it.

but what about other facts what about the planes with something attached to them man there so many that u cant explain. why hide stuff from people dont show video tapes and etc.. half of the terrorist are still alive ? what the hell like ?

secondary explosions ? in towers that look like demolition. there just so many stuff as i say again that not add up and u cant just cant explain them all.

Easily explained by air pressure blowing out the windows or the heat causing the glass to break. You did get to the essence of the conspiracy theories there though, they pick apart lots of little bits with very leading phrases like 'secondary explosions', trying to make out that there are so many inconsistencies that they can't possibly all be explained. Yet they are all very easy to explain, and most obviously total bs.

melting steal point 2800f , jet fuel can burn 1800f that maxim and not for long. as for scientist estimated that fires after crash was burning 500f. and to steal to buckle and weaken fires have to be 2000f for at least few hours. and if somehow temperatures was so high were the planes hit how the hell people survived the same floors where the plane hit and did not burn to death. and even waved for help.

Bullpoo !

You're right that is total bullpoo, since it's an easily provable fact that steel significantly loses its strength at 500C, it doesn't have to be for a few hours either it's strength is reduced the instant it reaches that temperature.

However I predict that even though all your supposed facts, especially the steel one being quite obviously works of fiction that instead of thinking things through properly you'll just cling to even more ridicules 'proofs'.

 

[Dogoid]

there are people who believe the official story and there are people who don't, at this point neither sides will ever agree with the other sides arguments. one side saying the government did it, and they other saying your crazy , it was osama bin laden in a cave.

no one from the two sides will change their mind and jump ship, its nothing to do with reason or fact or logic, its to do with how they see the world and how the opposing beliefs will destroy their model of reality.

its a personal thing and you could throw facts , logic , reasoning at them all day, they have a survival switch that was switched a while back.

i have let go of the fight and no longer will i try and make someone see whats really going on, but i am so certain the story we were fed regarding 911 is comedy .

there is so much more logic, reasoning , facts on it being a inside job than there is on the side of people who are scared of thier model of reality being challenged.

i can understand it, and there is nothing wrong with not wanting to know the truth based on your own fears, its human.

so as i said before, at this late point in the big 911 debate, 7 years on, most people have chosen what side they are going to argue for and there is no budging, its fight to the death, last man standing an all that.

 

[yak.h'cir]

Put another way, we spend billions of pounds in taxes every year to maintain a police force, the security services and the machinery of the state, yet a depressing proportion of all crimes committed by individuals go unsolved. This is despite the huge advantages the police have over criminals.

However the problem with that example is that the police rarely, if ever have trouble ascertaining what happened during the crime/how it was committed. Only the 'who' part causes trouble. So by your example the people investigating 9/11 should have no trouble finding out exactly what happened, but maybe not such an easy to proving who did it.

 

[yak.h'cir]

It did collapse and it contained the offices of the US Secret Service, the Securities and Exchange Commission etc. Some of the hard drives recovered from this building contained some very interesting information about illegal financial transactions and insider trading. The theory is that this building was destroyed because it was used as the command centre for the operation.

Obviously, as I said above, how do you expect a handful of individuals to know what actually happened? All they can say is, it's odd that a building would collapse like that, even if it did sustain some damage.

The theories about WT7 do nothing to help the view of conspiracy theorists, they're ridicules and don't carry any weight what so ever.

For instance, assuming it's true that the government wanted WT7 gone, they could have just announced they were demolishing it because it looked like it was going to fall on xxx or it was unsafe and preventing access to the site. The demolition crew would have been hailed as heroes for risking their lives etc etc.

Also say it was a planning area, you don't need to blow up a building to get rid of a few computers and files. And as for illegal trading, that goes on all the time and you wouldn't need recovered hard drives to see who is trading what since it's all a matter of public record + I can't imagine that it's uncommon so it's hardly a reason to blow up a building.

Seriously think about this nonsense before you post it.

 

[yak.h'cir]

Couldn't agree more mate. Good post.

Hold on, so far you've been much worse then psychas! What with the breaking the laws of physics etc.