9/11 - Controlled demolition?

[Werewolf]

the likely hood of that actually happening is ridiculous

Or fairly common if you actually look at the reports from a number of crashes

It happens on a regular basis, the passport is light enough but fire resistant enough that it can survive being blown out of the aircraft by an explosion.

There are dozens of crashes where there has been a major impact followed by a bad fire and yet passports have been found relatively intact (often a bit bit singed but still readable).

 

[The_Dark_Side]

why do people have such a hard time believing that just because the odds of something are so many million to one, that the "one" has to happen at some point?
that's basic probability.

 

[Werewolf]

the reason it will never be cleared up is due to the number of questions that the authorities dont answer/ seem to give blatently false information about. for instance the pentagon one of the most protected buildings in the world with numerous cctv camera's and yet they release only half a dozen frames of footage? they have also confiscated cctv tapes from all surrounding buildings, all they would have to do is release an unedited tapes showing the plane hitting and it would be conspiricy over but will they do that nope.

How many CCTV camera's do you expect were pointed into the sky?
They would have been placed to target specific areas of interest, things like entrances and car parks, oddly enough that severely limits the number that might pick up something approaching from more than about 6-10 foot off the ground.

There is also the question of how likely they would be to give out the tapes which would effectively result in them having to reposition (if possible) a number of CCTV cameras - you don't give away too many details of the security equipment on a place like the pentagon because it could give future attackers a big hand in planning their attacks.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

There is also the question of how likely they would be to give out the tapes which would effectively result in them having to reposition (if possible) a number of CCTV cameras - you don't give away too many details of the security equipment on a place like the pentagon because it could give future attackers a big hand in planning their attacks.

nice point and something i've never considered before.

 

[Biohazard]

Or fairly common if you actually look at the reports from a number of crashes

It happens on a regular basis, the passport is light enough but fire resistant enough that it can survive being blown out of the aircraft by an explosion.

There are dozens of crashes where there has been a major impact followed by a bad fire and yet passports have been found relatively intact (often a bit bit singed but still readable).

chances of it being one of the terrorists, out of all the paper work that was in those towers let alone the planes?? afaik no others were found that day.

 

[Werewolf]

I would be suprised if others were not found (i'm sure i've heard they were), but obviously it's the terrorists one that would get the most publicity.

 

[sidthesexist]

How many CCTV camera's do you expect were pointed into the sky?
They would have been placed to target specific areas of interest, things like entrances and car parks, oddly enough that severely limits the number that might pick up something approaching from more than about 6-10 foot off the ground.

if you look at some of the photo's there are camera's clearly pointed in the direction the "plane" supposidly came from, and the plane supposidly came in at very low level so would have been picked up, the few frames that have been released are also very late in the action, the cameras that picked up these images would also have shown what hit the building but the earlier frames haven't been released.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

chances of it being one of the terrorists, out of all the paper work that was in those towers let alone the planes?? afaik no others were found that day.

could possibly have been due to where he was on the aircraft.
after all if he was in the cockpit i doubt any of the crew had passports.
truth is i don't, and by definition can't, know what exactly happened.
but as i said if there is a single, solitary chance of something happening then it can.plenty of things are unlikely but it doesn't necessarily mean there is anything suspicious going on.
yes, sometimes it does but on the flipside sometimes it doesn't.

 

[sidthesexist]

could possibly have been due to where he was on the aircraft.

there is at least one report floating around that none of these people were on the planes at all, of the 19 people (iirc) that the americans claimed were responsable i believe at least 6 have been found safe and well in their home countries and have no link to this attack

 

[pinkacidbootson]

but out of all the people on the plane it would turn out to be a terrorists passport, lying there all neat and tidy for the local constabulary to pick up. hmm

The only thing that makes it seem 'ridiculous' is your own perception. The fact is that passport was not the only thing to have survived the impact and the fire. There were likely hundreds of individual objects still very much intact.

 

[Biohazard]

there is at least one report floating around that none of these people were on the planes at all, of the 19 people (iirc) that the americans claimed were responsable i believe at least 6 have been found safe and well in their home countries and have no link to this attack

yes I heard that as well

 

[pinkacidbootson]

there is at least one report floating around that none of these people were on the planes at all, of the 19 people (iirc) that the americans claimed were responsable i believe at least 6 have been found safe and well in their home countries and have no link to this attack

You haven't read the link i posted then? Please do, you really need to.


Link again

They were found to have no link to the attacks because they were mistakenly identified as the terrorists.

 

[Biohazard]

The only thing that makes it seem 'ridiculous' is your own perception. The fact is that passport was not the only thing to have survived the impact and the fire. There were likely hundreds of individual objects still very much intact.

not quite. But if you have hi-jacked a plane, you tend to be at the front. So unless he was hanging out the window waving his passport in his hand at the moment the plane crumpled into WTC and exploded....

not saying it couldn't happen, of course it could. I just don't believe it happened in this instance.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

yes I heard that as well

i heard the Hitler diaries were real.
the leading experts verified them.
then all of a sudden they weren't.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

not quite. But if you have hi-jacked a plane, you tend to be at the front. So unless he was hanging out the window waving his passport in his hand at the moment the plane crumpled into WTC and exploded....

not saying it couldn't happen, of course it could. I just don't believe it happened in this instance.

the explosion would've happened behind the cockpit.
add to this the plane was doing around 500 mph when it hit and i can see how objects located in front of the wing and centre tanks could've survived.

 

[Biohazard]

the explosion would've happened behind the cockpit.
add to this the plane was doing around 500 mph when it hit and i can see how objects located in front of the wing and centre tanks could've survived.

your talking milliseconds here. Look how quickly the whole sections just goes boom

 

[Al Vallario]

there is at least one report floating around that none of these people were on the planes at all, of the 19 people (iirc) that the americans claimed were responsable i believe at least 6 have been found safe and well in their home countries and have no link to this attack

You might want to check out this section of the Wikipedia article on "9/11 conspiracy theories". The hijackers used stolen identities, FBI intelligence was sketchy and no media source is yet to provide comprehensive proof that any one of the named hijackers is alive and well.

your talking milliseconds here. Look how quickly the whole sections just goes boom

I'm no expert on high-speed collisions or explosions, but one would assume there is little in the cockpit area of a commercial plane to cause an explosion on impact. It's the fuel tanks and engines which are likely to cause the explosions. Thus the cockpit of the plane would have been lodged inside the building, possibly even in the concrete inner-core, before the explosion took place. A matter of milliseconds, granted, but I don't find it particularly difficult to believe.

You're ignoring the fact that other personal effects from passengers on the planes (those which hit the World Trade Center and also the Pentagon) were also found and returned to relatives, including boarding passes and passports.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

your talking milliseconds here. Look how quickly the whole sections just goes boom

even when talking milliseconds, at that kind of speed we're talking about quite a distance.there were plenty of windows near the point of impact that didn't break and glass is very sensitive to fire.
fire needs oxygen and there is far more of it outside a building than inside so i'd expect the flames to move in that direction with more aggression.

 

[locutus12]

simple, pressure from the falling building at the top pushing debris out of the lower windows as the structure collapses down on itself. possibly windows by a stairwell section all the way down, hence the reason why the rest didnt blow out.

 

[sidthesexist]

You might want to check out this section of the Wikipedia article on "9/11 conspiracy theories". The hijackers used stolen identities, FBI intelligence was sketchy and no media source is yet to provide comprehensive proof that any one of the named hijackers is alive and well.

so a terrorist who's using false id also carries his own passport that would give him away the first instance he is searched?

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