9/11; Never forget.

R.I.P. don't know if the truth will ever come out, but them towers were blown up, how bush and his cronies have managed to cover it up, well thanks to the media, but then again they control the media.
 
R.I.P. don't know if the truth will ever come out, but them towers were blown up, how bush and his cronies have managed to cover it up, well thanks to the media, but then again they control the media.

The truth is already out. Islamic terrorists hijacked planes and crashed them into the towers.

CT nuts are retarded.
 
R.I.P. don't know if the truth will ever come out, but them towers were blown up, how bush and his cronies have managed to cover it up, well thanks to the media, but then again they control the media.


Forum; I wonder how people can be so intellectually devoid that they almost sound like Piers Morgan crossed with the Elephant Man.
 
R.I.P. don't know if the truth will ever come out, but them towers were blown up, how bush and his cronies have managed to cover it up, well thanks to the media, but then again they control the media.

The idea of the'm' towers being brought down by controlled explosions is so utterly retarded I can only think you are a troll. If not:

1) Go find out how much work needs to be done to prepare a building for a demo rig. And yet no-one in either building reported strange men partially demolishing the whole floor they lived or worked on. Oh no of course they didn't, because GWB and his gang control every single outlet of the media and teh intarwebz don't they. The wiring loom for such an explosion would be ****ing ridiculous and would have taken days to set up. Oh yes, and it was all still perfectly attached after the impacts, explosions and fire/smoke wasn't it.

2) The hijackers were such perfect pilots that they could manouver the planes in such a way that even though they were rolled off a level axis, the top most wing (in both towers) hit directly below the floor where the invisible men set up their invisble explosives. Lets be generous and say that's a 20 odd foot margin for error. So after decending several hundred feet very quickly, and lining up on the towers they managed (given the height of the towers) something less than a one percent margin of error in their altitude. Jesus, those boys should have joined the ****ing airforce. Because if they weren't so bloody brilliant they would have destroyed the controlled explosion apparatus that apparently actually brought the towers down wouldn't they.

Can't even believe people have to spell out the bleeding obvious to these tards.

Please star out all swearies - no disguised swearing.
 
The idea of the'm' towers being brought down by controlled explosions is so utterly retarded I can only think you are a troll. If not:

1) Go find out how much work needs to be done to prepare a building for a demo rig. And yet no-one in either building reported strange men partially demolishing the whole floor they lived or worked on. Oh no of course they didn't, because GWB and his gang control every single outlet of the media and teh intarwebz don't they. The wiring loom for such an explosion would be ****ing ridiculous and would have taken days to set up. Oh yes, and it was all still perfectly attached after the impacts, explosions and fire/smoke wasn't it.

2) The hijackers were such perfect pilots that they could manouver the planes in such a way that even though they were rolled off a level axis, the top most wing (in both towers) hit directly below the floor where the invisible men set up their invisble explosives. Lets be generous and say that's a 20 odd foot margin for error. So after decending several hundred feet very quickly, and lining up on the towers they managed (given the height of the towers) something less than a one percent margin of error in their altitude. Jesus, those boys should have joined the ****ing airforce. Because if they weren't so bloody brilliant they would have destroyed the controlled explosion apparatus that apparently actually brought the towers down wouldn't they.

Can't even believe people have to spell out the bleeding obvious to these tards.

Please just stop arguing with them, its a waste of time.

Anyway they are however a secondary necessary evil, its good to have some ultra sceptics around.
 
11/9 was indeed an unfortunate day, but just remember how insignificant it was in terms of overall deaths. Even if attacks on the same scale occurred once a month, more people would still die in car accidents than from terrorist attacks (in the USA).

One such attack every two months would be about equal to the murder rates in the USA.

While I'm sure it was very upsetting for those involved, and provided a lot of business for the media, and a lot of interesting politics, in terms of actual loss of life it isn't really that significant. I wonder whether an American President would ever declare war on Motown because of the dangers posed by automobiles.

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Summary of 11/9 :
People I didn't know got murdered in a far off land. Sad, but hardly a novel occurrence.
 
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Have you just ignored thousands of years of religious tension?

I am disappoint.

Not to the extent they are distrusted post 9/11.
Before 9/11 nobody had problems getting on a plane with a slightly dark coloured person but post 9/11 it is quite funny watching passengers watching people that 'look' like Muslims getting on the plane with them.

Please just stop arguing with them, its a waste of time.

That Conspracy Road Trip summed it up.
That bloke put pounds and pounds of thermite around the metal beam and it didn't do a thing and that one guy still wouldn't accept it wasn't done by thermite.
Respect to the big dude who was completely turned around.
What they didn't mention when talking about the mobile phone calling was even back in 1998 I was making mobile phone calls from a plane with a Philips D12 and I was at least 1 hour from the airport.
 
That Conspracy Road Trip summed it up.
That bloke put pounds and pounds of thermite around the metal beam and it didn't do a thing and that one guy still wouldn't accept it wasn't done by thermite.
Respect to the big dude who was completely turned around.
What they didn't mention when talking about the mobile phone calling was even back in 1998 I was making mobile phone calls from a plane with a Philips D12 and I was at least 1 hour from the airport.

Conspiracy Road Trip was typical BBC state propaganda and I turned it off after 10 minutes. The mainstream media are definitely getting worried though about people not believing the official version of events given the amount of hit pieces they are doing.
 
...We memorialise 9/11, even more so than many natural disasters, precisely because its impact was not just loss of life and destruction to property. 9/11 did not show us the unpreventable and largely unpredictable force of nature, but the power of unbridled hatred. As a civilisation we like to think we can do something about that, and reflecting on the products of hatred in the past is one means of doing so.

9/11 is completely and utterly incomparable to the death of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan....

One man's "unbridled hatred" is another one's "retaliation". Are you honestly surprised that after all the **** the U.S. pulled in that part of the world that there would not be some group willing to take such actions?

Yes everyone seems to forget Islam was not particularly hated before 9/11.Nor were the two Muslim countries invaded, that many seem to be crying about.

So i think its fair to say Bin Laden and his buddies made a bit of a 'pigs ear' out of the whole situation, didn't they? Just as well, he spent his last 10yrs, on the run, with a good bunch of his buddies being treated to a daisy cutter for breakfast, as will the remaining bunch of bearded buffoons that also happen to be on the run.

They're comming for ya !

Kaboom.

Such an ill-informed comment. I will surmise that you were born after 1990 and would suggest a history lesson.

Anyway, enough on this from me - the destruction of the two towers was an atrocity of unprecedented proportions, and the carnage that followed even more so.
 
Conspiracy Road Trip was typical BBC state propaganda and I turned it off after 10 minutes. The mainstream media are definitely getting worried though about people not believing the official version of events given the amount of hit pieces they are doing.

I guess it was only a matter of time :rolleyes: I know the date has now passed but is this really the thread for such bilge? There are quite afew 9/11 conspiracy threads on here that people could post their bonkers theories in & be quite helpfully shown that they have no real susbstance.
 
i watched a bit of united 93 last night (i have seen it once before at the cinema upon release, didn't think much of it) but upon second viewing, it was interesting to wonder how accurate the air traffic control room scenes were. the fact they were aware of the situation quite some time before the impact and why not all flights were immediatley grounded. what surprised me the most though was the lack of information they were getting, they got most of it from external sources ie cnn.
 
Found an interesting video about WTC7 and how it collapsed,
Also a few notes from the video,
The information below is presented for people interested in actual inquiry, meaning they are legitimately examining both sides' arguments for inconsistencies, intellectual dishonesty, and logical flaws.

1. Things conspiracy theorists do not want you to know:
(a) Building 7 underwent a slow, catastrophic internal progressive collapse, plainly observable in the full-length CBS video, which is rarely shown on conspiracy sites.
(b) The 1,500 "experts" at ae911truth.org are mostly electrical and chemical engineers, residential architects, students, etc. Examine the list for yourself. Then, look at the 750 (better credentialed) names at dissentingdarwin.org, and ask whether the latter list puts biological evolution in serious doubt.
(c) The "explosive traces" or "thermite" claim comes from non-chemist Steven E. Jones, who analyzed samples sent to him privately with no chain of custody. His paper appeared in a journal that charges $800 to publish; Google "CRAP Paper Accepted by Journal" to read about its "peer review" process. By the way, Jones, a devout Mormon, also published "evidence" that Jesus hung out with American Indians; Google "Behold My Hands."
(d) Thermite has never been used to demolish a building. It is notoriously difficult to ignite, so it needs to be piled and ignited from the top and allowed to burn downward by mavity. It does not burn sideways as would be required to cut a vertical column.
(e) Rigging a large building for demolition requires weeks of wall removal, drilling, cutting, and wiring. It cannot be done "over the weekend," nor would evidence of such preparation escape the notice of office workers. Demolition professionals laugh at this claim.
(f) There exist NO peer-reviewed publications supporting controlled demolition, anywhere.
(g) No alternate theory has been offered showing how the building(s) were brought down by demolition. Conspiracy theorists just keep raising the same 20-odd questions and hope you won't look for the answers.

2. Examples of intellectual dishonesty:
(a) "The fires did not burn hot enough to melt steel." Nobody claims that fire melted steel. Steel-beam framing members expanded beyond tolerances, subjecting connections to failure. The heat also reduced the steel's capacity to support loads. No melting required.
(b) "BBC reported WTC7's collapse before it happened." Firefighters had predicted the collapse. Apparently the reporter made an error. CNN also reported for 10 minutes that the Washington Mall was on fire; do we ask why no scorch marks were later found?
(c) "The 9/11 Commission Report didn't even mention WTC7." It was done years before the WTC7 study was completed.
(d) "NIST changed its story several times." Science refines its position over time. This is a strength, not a weakness. Alternatively we can start with a story, stick to that story, and look only for evidence that supports that story. The latter is what creationists and conspiracy theorists do.
(e) "Larry Silverstein ordered to 'pull' WTC7, a slang term in the demolition industry." He was referring to pulling out firefighting efforts, as the building was considered lost. "Pull" is not demolition slang. Larry Silverstein is a real-estate investor, not a demolition professional.
(f) "You are clearly working for the government." This is a case of believing a bold premise with no evidence whatsoever, merely because it fits the believer's worldview. Not an effective way of getting closer to the truth.

3. Simple fallacies of logic:
(a) "No tall building had ever collapsed from fire. Therefore WTC7 could not have collapsed from fire." There is a first time for everything. Equivalent fallacy: "No species before humans had ever invented the computer. Therefore humans could not have invented the computer."
(b) "Other tall buildings burned without collapsing; therefore WTC7 could not have collapsed due to fire." Besides the fact that these other cases were more fire-robust than the all-steel-framed WTC7, just because something does not always happen does not mean it will never happen. Equivalent fallacy: "There exist primates that have not invented computers. Therefore humans could not have invented the computer."
(c) "The government has lied before, therefore it must have lied about 9/11." Just because A has done B does not imply that A always does B. Equivalent fallacy: "The government has lied before, therefore it must have lied when it said aspirin is safe and effective."
(d) "Prove that it wasn't a controlled demolition." The burden of proof is on the person making the assertion. Equivalent fallacy: "Prove that humans are not descended from reptiles of the planet Nbiru."
 
WTC building 7 collapsed long after the world's media had turned their attention elsewhere.

Given the CIA, the DOD, the FBI etc.. all had offices there, i don't think its entirely unreasonable that the building had been rigged with charges years ago, possibly after the first WTC bombing to demolish it in the event of it being compromised and damaged.

I don't believe that the twin towers themselves were rigged, that was plain for all to see what happened. But i don't think its beyond belief that building 7 was demolished using a controlled demolition to prevent the secrets inside from behind discovered.

Wait till everybody gets out, make sure the world isn't looking, then get the director of the FBI to press the button that demolishes it.
 
But i don't think its beyond belief that building 7 was demolished using a controlled demolition to prevent the secrets inside from behind discovered.

Really really really sit down and think very hard about the crap you've just wrote.
Lets pretend I've got some very dodgy stuff on my PC and some papers I don't want anybody to ever see.
Do you think me collapsing my house would be suffice to hide the evidence?

We'll put that one to bed.
 
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