9800X3D RAM buying guide by Buildzoid

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Buildzoid has a RAM buying guide for the 9800X3D and I’ll link the information but here’s the comment for the video on Patreon

Ryzen 9800X3D RAM buying guide.

New
14 November
DO:
2x16GB DDR5-6000 CL30
2x24GB DDR5-6000 CL30
2x32GB DDR5-6000 CL30
2x48GB DDR5-6000 CL30

DO NOT:
4x16GB (unless you want your RAM to be slow)
4x24GB (unless you want your RAM to be slow)
4x32GB (unless you want your RAM to be EXTRA slow)
4x48GB (unless you want your RAM to be EXTRA slow)

REASONING:
- 6000 CL30 is a Hynix 16Gb A-die and Hynix 24Gb M-die bin.
- Hynix 16Gb A-die and 24Gb M-die are currently the best DDR5 memory chips for compatibility/stability/overclocking and performance
- Speeds higher than DDR5-6000 may default to 2:1 mode which is bad for performance.
- Some Ryzen 9000 series chips can't run DDR5-6400 or 6200 in 1:1
- DDR5-7600+ performance wise is a viable alternative to DDR5-6000 however it's more dependant on motherboard quality. DDR5-6000 should work on basically anything. Many boards can't do DDR5-7600. Some CPUs can't do DDR5-8000
- If you want more performance you can always just overclock the 6000 CL30 kit instead of buying a DDR5-6400+ kit that you might have to underclock if your CPU/motherboard can't run it.

BTW:
DDR5 6000 CL36 is Samsung or Micron
Source https://www.patreon.com/login?ru=/p...e_pledge_flow=true&post_tier_unavailable=true
 
Well thanks for that, I was considering buying 4x 16GB CL30-36-36-76 until I read this, need to rethink it
Happy that you avoided that because it would be fine if you ran it at reduced speeds but you want to game during Xmas, no do fault finding only to need to buy different RAM.

Do you need the 64gig capacity for anything in particular?
 
Reason for 64 GB is that I do a lot of tinkering - e.g installing server software and doing tutorials with it, running VMs (I've got more than 20). With my current 32 GB I need to use a page file and I'm often sitting up near the memory limits.

To be honest, I'm evening toying with the idea of 96GB just to future proof things a bit better since I tend to keep systems for a fair while (3770K -> 3900x -> 9800X3D).

I'm considering: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...-48000c30-6000mhz-dual-cha-mem-crs-03746.html

CMK96GX5M2B6000Z30

It mentions EXPO but is not on the QVL for the board (ASRock x870E Nova)...
 
Reason for 64 GB is that I do a lot of tinkering - e.g installing server software and doing tutorials with it, running VMs (I've got more than 20). With my current 32 GB I need to use a page file and I'm often sitting up near the memory limits.

To be honest, I'm evening toying with the idea of 96GB just to future proof things a bit better since I tend to keep systems for a fair while (3770K -> 3900x -> 9800X3D).

I'm considering: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...-48000c30-6000mhz-dual-cha-mem-crs-03746.html

CMK96GX5M2B6000Z30

It mentions EXPO but is not on the QVL for the board (ASRock x870E Nova)...
OK but do you need 96gigs of RAM? £300 is a lot of money and if 64gigs works, it works hey.

No point in upgrading if you don't make use of your existing 64gigs.
 
True - you might talk me down to be honest, the money is better spent on GPU ;)

What do you think my chances would be on getting a 64 gig kit working that is not on the QVL or does not have EXPO so long as it was CL30? My current RAM was not on QVL and seemed to respond very well to tinkering with secondary timings and has been rock solid as far as I can tell
 
True - you might talk me down to be honest, the money is better spent on GPU ;)

What do you think my chances would be on getting a 64 gig kit working that is not on the QVL or does not have EXPO so long as it was CL30? My current RAM was not on QVL and seemed to respond very well to tinkering with secondary timings and has been rock solid as far as I can tell
Eh, I don’t really care for QVL lists myself but for people who don’t know as much about RAM and just want the system to work, they are great.

QVL lists can be misleading because often the manufacturer will take a golden CPU and motherboard and RAM and test the config at 8 million MT/s and put it on the list for marketing.

If I was going to buy RAM, I’d just got with Buildzoids recommendations and be happy.

Most RAM is broadly the same just with a different skin - a lot of kits are just a rebranded stock part using the same PCB and the same DRAM chips, hence why Buildzoid says stick with RAM of 6000 MT/s CL30 speeds (because it’s probably the same part underneath)
 
Yeah I figured RAM is heavily re-branded and is mostly about marketing and flashing leds - I'll review his video and info tonight and probably choose something - was just handed the CPU by DHL which I wasn't really expecting until Jan so I need to buy a few more bits soonish, though I don't know if the MB will arrive this side of Christmas regardless. Thanks for the guidance!
 
Looks like 6000CL30 2x16 is the sweet spot thankyou. Can anybody please explain why 4 sticks is slow? I'm coming from DDR3 intel and DDR5 amd seems to have way more issues such as stability if you select the wrong speeds. If 4 sticks are slow why do most if not all motherboards still have 4 ram slots? :confused:
 
Looks like 6000CL30 2x16 is the sweet spot thankyou. Can anybody please explain why 4 sticks is slow? I'm coming from DDR3 intel and DDR5 amd seems to have way more issues such as stability if you select the wrong speeds. If 4 sticks are slow why do most if not all motherboards still have 4 ram slots? :confused:
TLDR: that’s the way DDR5 is configured and it’s an architecture change on the motherboards and the motherboards have 4 DIMM slots for marketing purposes.

Stupid reason to have 4 DIMM slots when the extra 2 are essentially unusable but hey.
 
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Looks like 6000CL30 2x16 is the sweet spot thankyou. Can anybody please explain why 4 sticks is slow? I'm coming from DDR3 intel and DDR5 amd seems to have way more issues such as stability if you select the wrong speeds. If 4 sticks are slow why do most if not all motherboards still have 4 ram slots? :confused:

Not all configurations will operate the same. Particularly when it comes to motherboard topology and memory qualification and especially when min-maxing.
 
TLDR: that’s the way DDR5 is configured and it’s an architecture change on the motherboards and the motherboards have 4 DIMM slots for marketing purposes.

Stupid reason to have 4 DIMM slots when the extra 2 are essentially unusable but hey.
They can be usable but most of the time not at faster speeds so will require more configuring from the user.
 
Ryzen 9800X3D RAM buying guide.

New
14 November
DO:
2x16GB DDR5-6000 CL30
2x24GB DDR5-6000 CL30
2x32GB DDR5-6000 CL30
2x48GB DDR5-6000 CL30

DO NOT:
4x16GB (unless you want your RAM to be slow)
4x24GB (unless you want your RAM to be slow)
4x32GB (unless you want your RAM to be EXTRA slow)
4x48GB (unless you want your RAM to be EXTRA slow)

This is why I made the thread a while back saying we should have many more choices of 2 dimm motherboards as filling all 4 slots makes little sense these days for those who want performance over quantity.
 
Ryzen 9800X3D RAM buying guide.

New
14 November
DO:
2x16GB DDR5-6000 CL30
2x24GB DDR5-6000 CL30
2x32GB DDR5-6000 CL30
2x48GB DDR5-6000 CL30

DO NOT:
4x16GB (unless you want your RAM to be slow)
4x24GB (unless you want your RAM to be slow)
4x32GB (unless you want your RAM to be EXTRA slow)
4x48GB (unless you want your RAM to be EXTRA slow)

This is why I made the thread a while back saying we should have many more choices of 2 dimm motherboards as filling all 4 slots makes little sense these days for those who want performance over quantity.
Is it still beneficial to stick to single rank as well. That's why I was going with 2x24gb as I beehive I've you go to 32gb stick's they are dual rank.
 
Is it still beneficial to stick to single rank as well. That's why I was going with 2x24gb as I beehive I've you go to 32gb stick's they are dual rank.
AFAIK, dual rank is better but there are a lot of factors with RAM so you can't say dual rank is always better.

Here's a dual rank v single rank review.

As for the matter of today's tests, our results are very clear: dual-rank memory is the way to go, as is sticking to a single DIMM per channel when possible.

The most significant performance differences in our testing are found comparing two of Samsung's 1Rx8 DDR5-4800B memory sticks in a 1DPC configuration against four of the same sticks in a 2DPC configuration. There we find that the 1DPC configuration is contently equal or better in every scenario. Using four sticks means data has to travel further along the memory traces, which combined with the overhead of communicating with two DIMMs, results in both a drop in memory performance as well as a sight increase in latency.

And while the differences between 1Rx8 and 2Rx8 are not as large, we find that there is still a difference, and it's in favor of the dual rank memory. Thanks to rank interleaving, single rank memory finds itself at a slight disadvantage versus dual rank memory, at least on today's Alder Lake systems.

Based on this data, we recommend that users looking for 64 GB of DDR5 memory opt for 2 x 32 GB, rather than using a 4 x 16 GB configuration. Besides providing the best performance, the 2 x 32 GB route also leaves room for users to add additional capacity as needed down the line. Plus, if users want to overclock them further, overclocking four sticks of memory is notoriously stressful for the processor's IMC – and DDR5 only makes this worse.

Otherwise, choosing between DDR5-4800B kits from Micron, SK Hynix, and Samsung in terms of 2 x 32 GB kits primarily comes comes down to availability and price. DRAM is a true commodity product, in every sense of the word, so for these JEDEC-standard kits, there's not much to compete on except pricing.
One gaming benchmark example but that's cherry picking since at 1080P, there is a much smaller difference.

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