9900k low timespy score

coach7290 · 23 Nov 2020 at 12:00

Hi guys, I know this might be the usual boring thread about performance issues, but I'm struggling understading why. I am scoring in timespy on the cpu test around 10000, with all cores on 4.8ghz. Looking at the stock expected results, I should score at least 1k more. I'm running a 9900k on a z390 gaming plus board, and during stress tests in Xtu the cores never hit thermal/power throttle (they are steady at 4.8ghz with max temp of 75). What else can be the issue? I've always had underperforming cpus on this system (my 9600k was underperforming as well).
THank you

coach7290 · 23 Nov 2020 at 14:35

I thought about the ram, in fact I'm having the memories running at 2399 and xmp profile make bsod the computer (so I always left them at nearly stock speeds). I have 2x 8gb corsair vengeance lpsx. Do you think ram can impact a cpu score?

coach7290 · 23 Nov 2020 at 16:26

Sorry I'm not very skilled in this. Under msi mobo is multi core enhancement? Should be on or off?

coach7290 · 23 Nov 2020 at 16:27

Alright, I've ordered some corsair pro rgb 3600mhz, hope I won't have troubles with them to enable the xmp like the lpsx.

coach7290 · 23 Nov 2020 at 17:23

But if all cores are set manually to 4.8ghz and they don't throttle is pointless, isn'it?

coach7290 · 23 Nov 2020 at 17:52

actually I did use a preset on msi dragon center "extreme perdomance" and it did this overclocking automatically. But I don't think is a fake oc, because the cores are really all to 4.8ghz and they never decrease(like for example with the only gaming boost enabled". So I don't know about the cache if they tweaked that as well.

coach7290 · 23 Nov 2020 at 18:14

Joxeon said:
I would uninstall the dragon centre stuff and just stick to manual OC in the bios as that could even be the reason your scores are lower than expected.

Ok so i disabled the dragon center extreme perfomance mode, and now manually oc each core to 4.8ghz, I'm hitting the power limit on xtu (and they throttle down). I will try to increase the power limit and time window (but I guess it's what that preset was doing)

edit: same result, so That it's not the core performance the problem
edit2: I did manually oc all cores to 5ghz (90 degrees max temp, but they didn't throttle) and still i'm getting the same score (10000). So there's defintely something wrong here

coach7290 · 23 Nov 2020 at 22:59

Joxeon said:
Have you tried cinebench R20 to see how your score compares in that?.

on chinechench r20, I'm doing 4815 (tested it right now)

coach7290 · 24 Nov 2020 at 08:17

Joxeon said:
That does seem about right for 4.8ghz.

Don't forget to also crank the ring ratio, 4.7 should be pretty achievable on most chips.

Thanks, I will try it. So in case are the memories the culprit for timespy, is possible they make big difference here and not in cinebench? (I redid cinebench this morning and i got 4840)

coach7290 · 24 Nov 2020 at 10:50

koooowweeee said:
Have you tried a few stress tests. Sometimes if it's not stable you'll get a low score

I honestly didn't try long stress test with Prime95 or something similar, but if those cores looks stable within cinebench/timespy it's not enough to get a good score there?

coach7290 · 24 Nov 2020 at 12:48

Robert896r1 said:
That board is pretty inadequate for a 9900k. While you can probably get some more out of it, trying to push it to a decent level won't be a good. The VRM layout of the board is very low end.

You basically have a strong engine sitting in an inadequate chassis. For comparisons, a well tuned 9900k does high 13k to low 14k in TS CPU.

Yeah I know that, which board shall i get that is a good cope with the 9900k/6800xt? Consider that I'm also on a low end 650W psu.

edit: The aorus z390 pro is a good choice?

coach7290 · 24 Nov 2020 at 14:21

Robert896r1 said:
Master is better. I had a pro before my apex. Don't have many good things to say about it.

Master/Hero something like that would ideal if you plan to squeeze performance out of it. Hero wlll OC ram better. Master has better VRM's if you want to max out CPU and have a good CPU.

I personally prefer Asus but each his own. I'd stay away from Asrock and MSI's Z390 offerings.

So something under 200 decent it's impossible to have? The aorus master/hero are all above 300

coach7290 · 24 Nov 2020 at 15:54

Robert896r1 said:
Z390 Ultra is better than Pro. Also look for used mobos?

I have found an Aorus elite at around 170. It should be a bit better than the pro right?

coach7290 · 24 Nov 2020 at 16:23

Robert896r1 said:
lower tier than Pro.

Ahahah alright, the price was higher than the pro on Amazon

coach7290 · 24 Nov 2020 at 18:27

koooowweeee said:
Why not just downclock it a little and see if that's solves the issue? Compare it to another rig at 4.6 (or whatever) before you start shelling out on a new board?

If yours at 4.6 matches up then you know it's the board, if not then.... It's something else.

You right, but at stock with turbo boost enabled I was having still 10k of score, that's the thing. Anyway let's see with faster ram first

coach7290 · 24 Nov 2020 at 19:05

Just did a Timespy with 3600 ram and xmp profile: https://ibb.co/zrPY8gC . 10906 score (4.8ghz). What do you think now guys? The ram achieved those 906 points but stil.....

coach7290 · 24 Nov 2020 at 20:42

vapor matt said:
If you fine tune the ram you will see a 1000 point increase and not just 906 but pleased the 3600 worked for you. its not all brut force CPU power.

overclocking past 3600mhz or timings?

coach7290 · 24 Nov 2020 at 21:18

vapor matt said:
Timings first, then see if you can get higher.

Alright, I never oc timings ram in my life, I will give it a go reading some tutorials.

coach7290 · 28 Nov 2020 at 21:15

Hi guys, a question: I tried to manual oc the cpu to 5.0ghz all cores and during cinebench my pc will reboot without bsod but with a log in the event viewer ( 41 kernel power). If instead i try to set 5.0ghz clock and leave voltage vcore to auto, cinebench will run fine. Now I'm monitoring the auto voltage set and it's hovering around 1.32 . I tried to set manually an higher voltage like 1.34, and the computer will still reboot. How is that possible?

coach7290 · 29 Nov 2020 at 15:35

vapor matt said:
You will need to change loadline V droop to turbo, then set V core to 1.31v and try that.

Thank you so much, now with loadline cal on turbo i get stable oc at 1.35v. I've also boosted the rams at 3800(16-19-19-39) and now my timespy cpu score raised to 11902. A good improvement I guess(compared to my starting sitatuation). Need to see if I can lower the vcore a bit, but I don't think I got the best chip with the lottery.