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A bit confused about Intels new Haswell arcitecture?

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Hey guys, I know I've posed a few questions lately but I have had some good impartial advice from you lot. The new Haswell chips do not appear to be much of a leap forward in performance and they are only going to be avalible in 4 core, I understand software has to support your number of cores but my quad wasn't heavily supported when I first bought it. But as my system has aged more and more software seems to be using it "unlocking" more of my cpu's capability. They also have onboard gpu technology and reduced power consuption which I can't hepl but feel I will be paying for but is pretty unnecessary for a desktop gamer with a dedicated gpu card that draws 200-250w. Most articles I read about them seems to be accociating them with laptops and tablets, I just can't hepl but feel I would be better off with a 6 core i7k as when Haswell comes out there will probably be a significant price drop in the lg2011 socket range that many people like myself could take advantage of. Please feel free to tell me if I have my facts wrong.
 
EDIT: I have broken up your post as it was quite difficult to read.


The new Haswell chips do not appear to be much of a leap forward in performance

Correct - Much of the focus is power efficiency and integrated GPU performance to compete against AMD's APU line, although clock for clock performance is expected to be improved ~10%.

and they are only going to be avalible in 4 core,

The only models rumored so far have been the I5/I7 models - likely the I3 will stay a 2 Core / 4 Thread model, with Pentium/Celeron Dual Cores remaining bottom of the range with only 2 Cores / 2 Threads..

I understand software has to support your number of cores but my quad wasn't heavily supported when I first bought it. But as my system has aged more and more software seems to be using it "unlocking" more of my cpu's capability.

Most software is now being designed for at least 2 Cores - single core processors are all but extinct - games especially are now scaling to take advantage of 4 and even 8 threads.


They also have onboard gpu technology and reduced power consuption which I can't hepl but feel I will be paying for but is pretty unnecessary for a desktop gamer with a dedicated gpu card that draws 200-250w.

The onboard GPU is more or less a freebie for most people - arguably it probably costs them more to produce a separate line of CPUs with no GPU. A lot of people are also benefiting from the inbuilt GPU to run 2nd or 3rd screens in Multi-monitor setups.

Most articles I read about them seems to be accociating them with laptops and tablets,

Laptops and Tablets are a huge market, so no surprise that Intel wants to tap into it - the benefits play out in the scheme of things at the desktop as well though - cooler running chips with less power draw mean quieter cooling solutions and potential to overclock.

I just can't hepl but feel I would be better off with a 6 core i7k as when Haswell comes out there will probably be a significant price drop in the lg2011 socket range that many people like myself could take advantage of. Please feel free to tell me if I have my facts wrong.

Depends on what you are doing? 6 Cores (12 Threads with HT) is arguably overkill for gaming (as games are mostly still designed for at best 4 Cores), but the 2011 platform has benefits with regards to PCI-E Lanes for Crossfire or SLI.

LGA 2011 is still running Sandybridge-E cpus rather than the Ivybridge of 1155, and there is no guarantee that Ivybridge-E will even be released. Arguably prices of 2011 will not drop just because Haswell launches - new products tend to just replace old at the same price point - older tech disappears rather than being discounted.
 
The move forward with Haswell has been more focused on the IGP than the actual clock for clock. If you look at some of the reviews around, you can get graphs which will give you some indication to where it's going.

Multi-core CPU's are being used more and more frequently now. As an example, Battlefield 3 will use up to 6 cores and 8 threads. There is a down side to Haswell, being the TDP is higher than Ivy at 84w for the 4570k & 87w for the 4770k.

Although chips for 1155 will not be produced anymore, the 3770k will still be a very impressive chip. With any luck the prices of Ivy will come down despite the take over of Haswell. Socket 2011 is great an all, but if your not looking to overclock to extreme limits and push all the hardware to it's max or utilising heavy editing & encoding software, it would be pretty useles. You will still get upgrades to Sandy-E & Ivy-E in Q3 2013.

I dont think you have your facts wrong as Ivy is pretty much in the same state now anyway. Haswell is just an improvement from Ivy.

Haswell Architeture - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)Wiki

There is also another OcUK Forum thread HERE
 
Thanks for taking the time to reply guys, certainly some usefull information for me to consider there. I totally accept Armageus's point with it not being cost effective to maintain 2 production lines with regards to the onboard GPU feature. I will probably have to wait for the release and research some benchmarks (not that It's always a number game and can depent on what you "want" from the chip) But CPU's have pretty much hit the 3.5g "limit" and don't really seem tyo be moving on from there hence the addition of more cores and concentration on chip architecture.
 
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