A fallen common hero

the thing is people are told "oh just ignore them and they will go away/leave you alone". thats not always the case. if we dont make a stand (preferably in groups against groups) then we are not gonna get any where. if your on your own and there is a gang of miscriants(sp) causing trouble then stay away from em i say. no doubt they will be carrying something offensive and will be dumb enough to use it. when im out and about im always watching my own back and ive always got a chain attached to my belt just in case a gang decides to start. otherwise im quite content to stand up for myself one on one, but i wouldnt risk myself for some one elses property. most people have camera phones these days so the best thing to do is get a photo of them or video of them doing what is considered bad behaviour. that way there is physical evidence which can be shown to the police and get them convicted for it.
 
Biohazard said:
some folks in this place just need to grow a set :rolleyes:
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Taking on a gang of youths, on your own, for someone else's car isn't brave, it's stupid :) Unless you are a real hard nut perhaps, which I'm not and I expect neither are you.
 
RIP Mr Barrett. He had the guts to confront the yobs. A lot of people would have just closed their curtains and hoped that somebody else would take care of it.
 
dirtydog said:
Taking on a gang of youths, on your own, for someone else's car isn't brave, it's stupid :) Unless you are a real hard nut perhaps, which I'm not and I expect neither are you.
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I think it is stupid to put yourself in unnecessary harm, but on the other hand, as Sequoia said, it'll end up with rule by fear. If everyone made a stand, yob culture would soon be on the decline.

Burnsy
 
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burnsy2023 said:
I think it is stupid to put yourself in unnecessary harm, but on the other hand, as Sequoia said, it'll end up with rule by fear. If everyone made a stand, yob culture would soon be on the decline.

Burnsy
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Aye I agree,but you have to be careful incase people start turning into vigilantes. Or they could get hurt by confronting somebody with a weapon.

I wasn't entirely surprised to find that this news was from around Liverpool :(
 
dirtydog said:
Common sense and self preservation. I wouldn't chase them and I'm 33. What is the point in risking injury or death for a car - and someone else's car at that?
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That's nice, I suppose and I quote from another thread 'we could leave it to the authorities'

Based on the state of affairs in the UK atm that's what we always do and look at what happens. I'll eat some soiled loo paper if anything does happen.
 
Nix said:
Although I understand and agree that people should persue such trouble-makers, what was a man of his age doing? A 62 year old man should not be chasing 13-15 year olds.

What a shame though.

RIP Mr. Barrett.
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Perhaps the question should be, why are 13-15 year old kids out causing the sort of trouble that makes people have heart attacks?
 
They aren't intimdated by adults these days. When I was a kid and being a brat, if an adult came out shouting and ranting at us, we would have run away.

Now they don't care. Recently some kids were trying to steal my friend's bike wheels from his bike, chained to a post outside my house. When we went outside to stop them, they were'nt intimidated at all, in fact they simply carried on, claiming "we need the wheel".

Now I'm bald, 6 foot and 14 stone. I'm not particularly nasty, but I look nasty. But they just didn't care, they weren't bothered in the slightest.

It wasn't till we told them we were calling the police that they slowly got up and wandered off.
 
I blame parents first and then society. Parents set the example and if parents do not show respect to other people and their property then their offspring will probably follow the same pattern. Of coarse you can't tar all parents and their kids with the same brush but unfortunately it's true of a lot of familys these days....

Also I think it's part of the times we are living in. If you are from a Christian background like me then you know that it's all part of the signs of the times...

2 Timothy 3:16
3 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power
 
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fatiain said:
Someone on here has this in their sig...



That day cannot come too soon.

RIP old scouse dude, shame there's not more like you about. :(
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Thats me.

Its just such a shame he was doing the right thing and died for it. But doing something that he shouldn't have to do in the first place.
 
Tonks said:
I blame parents first and then society. Parents set the example and if parents do not show respect to other people and their property then their offspring will probably follow the same pattern. Of coarse you can't tar all parents and their kids with the same brush but unfortunately it's true of a lot of familys these days....
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I cannot agree with you more, got a small problem around my area with little scrotes theiving and the parents not caring one bit about it
 
i ***** hate chavs.. difference between going out and having fun, but vandalism and being tite to old people.. thats wrong. i bet they feel so guilty.. i would, say when i was walking with my friends.. and 2 old people walked past.. they looked so frightened cos we had our hoods up (not cos were chavs... going through roebuck... deadly place) i felt really guilty that young people have a bad image now cos of chavs
 
According to the news on the radio this morning an 18 year old boy has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter over this incident.
 
It's a sad sad place to be.

The views in this thread are interesting.

Yes it would be good if communities could stand together and look after one another but in practice it won't happen as it is far to dangerous. Who now would stop a fight in a street? Help and old lady if her handbag was snatched? Confront somebody for stealing a car?

Not many people, as you are making yourself a target.
 
fatiain said:
According to the news on the radio this morning an 18 year old boy has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter over this incident.
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If convicted what punishment will he get? 3 1/2 minuets of community service?
 
Interesting thread + responses. I would like to think I would help people if they were in trouble, but I would be very careful about doing something stupid.

One of my dad's work mates has just been taken to hospital because he heard his car alarm going off. He went out to investigate and saw one kid breaking the window, so he chased him down the street. The lad ran around the corner where there was 10+ of his friends there and beat the crap out of him. He got stabbed in the stomach and was left unconcious at the scene. My dad said his mate woke up in hospital the following morning.

It's looking serious but he's stable as far as I know. I mean what else can you do? Just stand at the door and watch him steal your car? Ring the police while he's stealing your car for them to write it off while the police are on the way?

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