A new modern coal industry...

PlacidCasual said:
To be clear this is for steel production, Port Talbot needs high quality coal for the blast furnace to make steel. UK power stations largely gave up on UK coal in the mid noughties for environmental reasons. Also there are only 3 coal stations left and they are all due to close soon although BEIS is asking them to stay open a bit longer which will probably involve a fairly large bribe subsidy.
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Its already been stated that the coal produced still wont meet the requirements for British Steel, and Tata would only require small volumes if they took any at all. There is a massive push in the UK steel industry to decarbonise and reduce the volume of coking coal used in blast furnaces, so trying to sell this as a benefit to UK steel makers doesnt make sense.

www.bbc.com

Cumbria coal mine: Steel expert claims little demand for coal

Woodhouse Colliery in Whitehaven would supply coal for steel production not for energy.
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Hate to agree but a short term coal plant does seem necessary. But it's hugely damaging to our efforts to net zero.

But people are really suffering. But it must be a short term solution. Very short term.


We think it's bad now.. Think how bad its going to get when global warming really starts kicking in for us in the relatively sheltered West
 
This was always the long term plan.

Destroy the coal miners in the 80s and hold onto reserves until they became economically and strategically significant.

Well played Thatcher, Well Played indeed....

Should have fracked the country dry too. Probably will.
 
Dis86 said:
You're the one who said its different, how is that?
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Depending on the site and the depth of the seams, opencast coal recovery is noisier, dirtier and requires hundreds of HGV movements weekly over a long period. The sites also tend to be much larger at ground level. This field is also largely under the Irish Sea.
What little I do know of the cumbria coal measures, they will likely be in limestone and strong marl, mudstones etc.which would not be easily excavated except by deep mining techniques. The mine will be at a railhead to carry the coal to nearby ports, Workington etc., and shipped to the end user or direct by existing rail lines.

It is unlikely that a opencast proposer who was turned down can sue. Thus is a specific coal type at a location likely to be granted planning approval. Two obvious factors maybe not found elsewhere.

There is a lot of hysteria already , OMG Thatcher, secret plots, slavery, national service, kids up chimneys. :cry:

We are rejoining the USA, Russia, China, Australia, Germany, Poland etc. etc., in excavating coal. Not reinventing anything.
 
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The coal seams extend out under the north sea.
Unless opencast mining has become more waterproof than i remember its not gonna be anything but remote operated diggers.
Brits should be glad there's coal to be had in abundance.
Green principles are gonna be sent up in smoke, pardon the pun, until Russia is best Friend again in 20 years.
 
Efour said:
The coal seams extend out under the north sea.
Unless opencast mining has become more waterproof than i remember its not gonna be anything but remote operated diggers.
Brits should be glad there's coal to be had in abundance.
Green principles are gonna be sent up in smoke, pardon the pun, until Russia is best Friend again in 20 years.
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Irish Sea but yes. ;)
 
Efour said:
The coal seams extend out under the north sea.
Unless opencast mining has become more waterproof than i remember its not gonna be anything but remote operated diggers.
Brits should be glad there's coal to be had in abundance.
Green principles are gonna be sent up in smoke, pardon the pun, until Russia is best Friend again in 20 years.
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Just need some bigger pumps to pump the water out faster than it can fill ;)
 
Hagar said:
Depending on the site and the depth of the seams, opencast coal recovery is noisier, dirtier and requires hundreds of HGV movements weekly over a long period. The sites also tend to be much larger at ground level. This field is also largely under the Irish Sea.
What little I do know of the cumbria coal measures, they will likely be in limestone and strong marl, mudstones etc.which would not be easily excavated except by deep mining techniques. The mine will be at a railhead to carry the coal to nearby ports, Workington etc., and shipped to the end user or direct by existing rail lines.

It is unlikely that a opencast proposer who was turned down can sue. Thus is a specific coal type at a location likely to be granted planning approval. Two obvious factors maybe not found elsewhere.

There is a lot of hysteria already , OMG Thatcher, secret plots, slavery, national service, kids up chimneys. :cry:

We are rejoining the USA, Russia, China, Australia, Germany, Poland etc. etc., in excavating coal. Not reinventing anything.
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The coal fields up here are in rural areas where noise, dirt and light (you missed that one) don't tend to cause issues...heck they allowed a massive opencast right next to one of the major population centres (Cramlington). Transport links via sea and rail are readily available. They were specifically told that the move was away from coal. Not opencast mining.
 
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