***A PAIR OF LAPTOPS WITH TRULY DEVASTATING PERFORMANCE - OcUK ULTIMA's!!!**

how do i know the cpus are cheaper? i work for specialistpc aka i build clevo laptops and their range of pcs for a living ocuk just buy the machines in and spec them we deal with clevo direct ocuk deal with us.... and other clevo main dealers eurocom are another main dealer and cyberpc etc etc there are plenty around the world...
 
as for the argument about no competitors around alienware can fit and cool both cards ive contacted tech support their 780gtx sli is launching in under a month and spec for spec compare other previous laptop m17xr4 vs p170em spec for spec

Desktop PC processor. I'm not talking about cooling twin 680ms which is easy, it's not bottlenecking them, which no Ivy Bridge mobile chips did. So no Alienware PCs didn't bottleneck the twin 680s they had, whereas these two let the graphics cards actually shunt out some serious performance.

I sincerely doubt somebody claiming to be an employee at a competitor working on these laptops would be so intent on badmouthing them so I'll leave you to your rage. Particularly given you have clevo in your name..
 
Saying that the alienwares bottlenecked the GPUs is like saying an overclocked 3770K was bottlenecking GTX670 desktop cards in sli.

Those alienwares were hitting nearly 5ghz with 8 threads.
 
Desktop PC processor. I'm not talking about cooling twin 680ms which is easy, it's not bottlenecking them, which no Ivy Bridge mobile chips did. So no Alienware PCs didn't bottleneck the twin 680s they had, whereas these two let the graphics cards actually shunt out some serious performance.

I sincerely doubt somebody claiming to be an employee at a competitor working on these laptops would be so intent on badmouthing them so I'll leave you to your rage. Particularly given you have clevo in your name..

you completely miss the point in your narrow point of view the only gain in the new clevo is cpu performance plain and simple end of discussion they wont aid the gpus as there is no constraint on them currently... where the whole bottlenecking discussion came into effect is beyond me because no i7 ivys bottle neck as for the desktop nor do they so its pure and simple cpu power,which isn't needed in laptops and tbh for 90% of users you just wont see a differance..ssd's are more important by far then any minute gain in cpu power and the clock speeds mobile i7s hit now days desktop cpus are pretty much pointless for mobile devises its a gimmick and cpu manufacturing cost cutter!
no rage i just hate stupidity and people believing something is true because they want it to be true
clevos make good machines or i wouldnt work on them but they have their faults and plenty of them but as mentioned earlier i hate dell and alienware but simple fact is at the moment their products like for like are better thought out and better quality thats what this whole discussion was about in the 1st place.

like i mentioned above better bios and far less limitations overclocking is available igpu disabling is available vt is available cooling is superiour bios support is far more viable and made public something clevo has not done for a good while,infact you have to contact tech support for your reseller for bios updates now or trust a forum.
The warranty is actually far superior on alienwares aswell and you have direct contact with who make them,i cant tell you how many times ive been frustrated over customers rmaing their machines due to poor keyboard on clevo's and initially clevo didnt want to know eventually they offered an alternative the steel series which then vanished again,eventually they sorted quality but even now to date there hit and miss.
the gpu coolers often arrive missaligned and have to be straightened to line up hense why people need to foil mod their cards. There are instances of ram issues due to temps under the keyboard aswell resulting in replacement main boards
power jack failures
audio jack failures

like i said great products but atm there are better quality alternatives
but im not glossy eyes wearing rose tinted glasses alienware have their faults aswell but right now far less and less severe.
 
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The top has a 3970X in it. Find another laptop with an Extreme edition Intel processor and a DESKTOP CPU at that that retails under £2k and I'll eat my hat. Versus the 680gtx model the 7970 has the 3970X, the SSD you mentioned and a 1Tb vs 750gb HDD.

The 3970X is a £900 processor on it's own, and that's before you figure out a way to mount and power and cool it in a bleeding laptop.

Alienware don't have anything like this so I don't get why you're comparing them.

The 3930k is a £450 processor from what I remember so that's where the bulk of the value is coming from.

Clearly you're missing the point of these laptops which is effectively being desktops crammed into a (massive, admittedly) laptop chassis.

While I'll take an Alienware vs MSI vs Asus vs Clevo/OcUK vs Razer etc. debate any other day, in this case there are literally no competitors to the products and given the value of the hardware and the challenge of cooling it all, it's perfectly reasonable that it's this expensive.

These laptops to me are to gaming desktops as the Razer blade is to gaming laptops, and yes, you pay for the privilege in both cases.

you said "these laptops to you are desktops crammed into a laptop" no its just a desktop cpu crammed into a laptop nothing else is new
 
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6336/...book-review-nvidias-geforce-gtx-680m-in-sli/5

"Because the pair of GTX 680Ms are limited by both the resolution and by the CPU, even a relatively pricey upgrade like the i7-3820QM actually becomes borderline inadequate. Consider what that means when an i7-3610QM was perfectly fine support for a GTX 675M or 680M, when historically upgrading past the entry level quad core in a notebook has been a fairly questionable value proposition. If you simply must have the fastest gaming notebook you can find, the M18x R2 is going to be it, but the upgrades are all ridiculously expensive and amusingly, if you want the most out of your purchase you're not going to be able to cut corners. You can save $250 by not having Alienware overclock the CPU for you and do it yourself, but you're still going to want to spend the $900 upgrade cost to get the i7-3920XM just to keep your disgustingly powerful graphics subsystem from being curtailed by the CPU."
 
Or you get a 3840qm and you can still overclock it to 4ghz on all 4 cores (they are partially unlocked to +400mhz) Then you can add the 5% base clock overclock on to that that most can achieve, thats 4.2ghz which is plenty for most tasks really.
 
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