A question for our Muslim members ....

Sequoia

Sequoia

Sequoia

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I have a question I would like answered, and it was prompted by thinking about the issues raised by the cartoon controversy.

However ......

..... I don't want it loaded by negative connotations from that thread or that issue. This is a genuine and general non-loaded question, and I really want a genuine answer.

I would also be obliged if people could keep ALL mention of the cartoon issue out of this thread, or it'll end up about that.


So, the question .....

As a Muslim, if your faith requires one thing and the law of this land requires another, which do you follow?

What I mean is if the mandates of your faith and the secular law of the country (whichever it may be) are in direct contradiction, which takes precedence?
 
As a Muslim, if your faith requires one thing and the law of this land requires another, which do you follow?
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Ive always been brought up to tolerate other people regardless of their beliefs, cast etc. To quote my father "You live by the laws of the land where you live". Therefore I obey the laws of the country, being a yorkshire born an bred muslim I find a middle point between the laws of my religion and the laws of my country.

As for the cartoon controversy, im appaled by the cartoons but im also equally appaled by the violence caused due to them, the people demonstrating in london with violent signs that are inciting racial hatred are not representative of the majority of peacefull muslims in the UK
 
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gib786 said:
Ive always been brought up to tolerate other people regardless of their beliefs, cast etc. To quote my father "You live by the laws of the land where you live". Therefore I obey the laws of the country, being a yorkshire born an bred muslim I find a middle point between the laws of my religion and the laws of my country.
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Thanks, gib. As I understand it, that accords perfectly with what I understand the Christian stance to be. I've always understood that to be in matters of faith, God's law rules, but that God requires man to live by man's law.

Of course, I asked this question specifically of Muslims, but exactly the same question could be asked of ANY religion ... what do you do if your religion and local law are conflicting. I know we have some Sikhs on here, how about you guys? Any Buddhists about? Any other religions care to comment?
 
my typo was rather critical though, instead of typing they are not representative i types they are now, **** pay more attention to the keys when i type!
 
I was born to the Hindu faith (but am now agnostic), and as far as I know, my parents told me that there was no law in the religion that actually says obey the "Laws of the land".

However it does ask it's members to act in a respectful manner, and thus we are obliged to respect such legal points to be a good person. It kind of ties in with Karma, which is what Hindus very much believe in.
 
Just to derail the thread slightly.

I am off to Egypt on Monday to work on an oil rig. I understand that many of my co-workers will be Egyptians (and therefore most likely, Muslims).

I would like to know if there are any things which I may unwittingly do which may offend my colleagues i.e. swearing etc.
As I will be working in their country, I feel it would be respectful to modify any behaviour which may cause offence.

I have had a bit of a google but could only really find information on how Muslims should act rather than how foreigners should show respect.

Stan :)
 
Bigstan said:
Just to derail the thread slightly.

I am off to Egypt on Monday to work on an oil rig. I understand that many of my co-workers will be Egyptians (and therefore most likely, Muslims).

I would like to know if there are any things which I may unwittingly do which may offend my colleagues i.e. swearing etc.
As I will be working in their country, I feel it would be respectful to modify any behaviour which may cause offence.

I have had a bit of a google but could only really find information on how Muslims should act rather than how foreigners should show respect.

Stan :)
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dont offer to get the bacon butteys in at smoke "o" m8
 
Bigstan said:
Just to derail the thread slightly.

I am off to Egypt on Monday to work on an oil rig. I understand that many of my co-workers will be Egyptians (and therefore most likely, Muslims).

I would like to know if there are any things which I may unwittingly do which may offend my colleagues i.e. swearing etc.
As I will be working in their country, I feel it would be respectful to modify any behaviour which may cause offence.

I have had a bit of a google but could only really find information on how Muslims should act rather than how foreigners should show respect.

Stan :)
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Build a pub on the oil rig and then wage a Jihad should anyone complain about your behaviour or beliefs and you'll fit in fine.

Be yourself.
 
If law contradiced my faith then it would depend, if the law in question was something avoidable (say for instance a religion said that whenever I drove somewhere I had to be on a mobile phone) then I would just avoid the problem (not drive),

If it wasn't avoidable I would move,

I'm Christian, and sorry about the example, I couldn't think of a better one
 
Sequoia said:
So, the question .....

As a Muslim, if your faith requires one thing and the law of this land requires another, which do you follow?

What I mean is if the mandates of your faith and the secular law of the country (whichever it may be) are in direct contradiction, which takes precedence?
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Simple answer from me, the law of the land would be more important to me. One thing islam teaches you is to respect one another and others beliefs/laws.

But what Gib saiod before is more or less how i see it, always been brought up to respect the laws of the land i live in.
 
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Bigstan said:
Just to derail the thread slightly.

I am off to Egypt on Monday to work on an oil rig. I understand that many of my co-workers will be Egyptians (and therefore most likely, Muslims).

I would like to know if there are any things which I may unwittingly do which may offend my colleagues i.e. swearing etc.
As I will be working in their country, I feel it would be respectful to modify any behaviour which may cause offence.

I have had a bit of a google but could only really find information on how Muslims should act rather than how foreigners should show respect.

Stan :)
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Seriously mate just be yourself, dont be afraid to question something that may do adn might cause offence. The way i would go about it is dont do anything that makes u think twice etc. If your going to eat, say for instance somehting that has pork in it then try not to eat it in front of a muslim. Personally i couldnt give a hoot if someone drank alcohol in front of me or ate a whole pig in front of me etc. But really just be yourself but perhaps with a little bit more respect towards your co workers especially if they are muslim. You never know they may be quite moderate in their outlook, dont pay attention to Virii...he seems to think all muslims are nutcases and terrorists with some of the things he comes out with :p.
But tbh i think you will be ok, egypt isnt that strict a muslim country as some are out there.
 
Spawn said:
Simple answer from me, the law of the land would be more important to me. One thing islam teaches you is to respect one another and others beliefs/laws.

But what Gib saiod before is more or less how i see it, always been brought up to respect the laws of the land i live in.
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but if the law of the land (eg UK) prevents you from doing your islamic duties (say for example: praying wasnt allowed) then you should move.
 
Spawn said:
You never know they may be quite moderate in their outlook, dont pay attention to Virii...he seems to think all muslims are nutcases and terrorists with some of the things he comes out with :p.
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You forgot Xbox murderers as well :p

When you get on the rig invite them all over for a beer and you'll be fine.
 
Freak_boy said:
but if the law of the land (eg UK) prevents you from doing your islamic duties (say for example: praying wasnt allowed) then you should move.
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Indeed then i would move but i dont know of any country that would do such a thing, perhaps a communist country but even then i havent heard of any reports that claim that so and so country hass banned islamic prayers etc.

But yes if a country should do such a thing then i would not hesitate in moving away from there.
 
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