A stupid theroy

It's always good to think...and if you were the thicko you describe yourself as being you wouldn't be thinking so much.

That said, I think you've had a bit too much of both whiskey and pessimism.

The idea that the universe is a brain with nebulae being analagous to neurons is interesting, but I think it's just baseless pattern matching. One thing looking somewhat like another thing if you pick the right scales isn't any evidence that they are the same thing on different scales or even the same type of thing.

The "cancer" and "consuming suns aka neutrons" stuff is rather extreme pessimism and also inaccurate in a couple of ways:

Suns are not neutrons. I'm not sure how or why you're equating the two.

Using the energy/matter emitted from a star as a power source isn't consuming the star. The star will be emitting that energy and matter anyway, regardless of whether or not anyone uses it. The star is, in that sense, consuming itself regardless of whether or not anyone is anywhere nearby. It would do so even if people didn't exist at all, even if there was absolutely no life in the universe. It's an inherent part of what a star is. Stars fuse particles or atomic nuclei, converting most of that matter to larger atomic nuclear and a small proportion to matter/energy that is (sooner or later) emitted from the star. After a period of time, they will have converted all of the matter to atomic nuclei too large for them to fuse and enter an end stage (which varies wildly depending on the size of the star) and eventually fade out (unless they've already exploded with enough force to destroy themselves). But my point is that it makes no difference at all if any life makes any use of the emissions from the star at any point in that process - they're not consuming the star.

I suppose it would maybe be technically possible to actually consume a star, but why would anyone do that? A star is a superb long-lasting power supply. A civilisation would get billions of years out of most stars. Why on earth would they consume it, even if they could?

We already know the universe has and end, much like human life..... We know going back in time is impossible and know that for life to exist we need power.....
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We're not absolutely certain about how the universe will change over trillions of years, but it does very much look like entropy will eventually win out and the universe will be effectively dead.

But bear in mind that we are talking about trillions of years from now. Many trillions of years. Many times any reasonable projection of the existence of humans, that's for sure. If our unimaginably distant descendents still exist then, they won't be like us. We have no idea what they would know and what they could do. Making a new universe and moving to it is just words to us, but maybe they could do it. Or maybe they could reboot this one. Or maybe they could do something we don't even have words for in order to make a new home for themselves. Many trillions of years is a long time for an intelligent species to upgrade their knowledge, their technology and their minds.
 
[TFU] Thegoon84 said:
What if the reason we've not found any other alien life out there is because we are what we describe as (wait for it this is where it gets ****) a cancerous entity and have not yet "spread".....
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The Universe without life is impossible - it does need an Observer in order to exist. And ultimately, I would say - it exists because of us and others.
Our governments are yet to admit we aren't alone :D
 
Angilion said:
It's always good to think...and if you were the thicko you describe yourself as being you wouldn't be thinking so much.

a lot of people call me a welsh ****.... It hurts.

That said, I think you've had a bit too much of both whiskey and pessimism.

Couldn't agree more :D

The idea that the universe is a brain with nebulae being analagous to neurons is interesting, but I think it's just baseless pattern matching. One thing looking somewhat like another thing if you pick the right scales isn't any evidence that they are the same thing on different scales or even the same type of thing.

The "cancer" and "consuming suns aka neutrons" stuff is rather extreme pessimism and also inaccurate in a couple of ways:

Suns are not neutrons. I'm not sure how or why you're equating the two.

Sorry, what i meant by that was what ever the basic building blocks of sub atomic particles are, aka the "power" we use and consume

Using the energy/matter emitted from a star as a power source isn't consuming the star. The star will be emitting that energy and matter anyway, regardless of whether or not anyone uses it.

Yes, but what if the output of a star isn't enough to sustain our output need.... and we as a result need to draw more power without having to worry about super nova


The star is, in that sense, consuming itself regardless of whether or not anyone is anywhere nearby. It would do so even if people didn't exist at all, even if there was absolutely no life in the universe.

Totally, but again, my comment above says the reasons to "speed up decay"

It's an inherent part of what a star is. Stars fuse particles or atomic nuclei, converting most of that matter to larger atomic nuclear and a small proportion to matter/energy that is (sooner or later) emitted from the star. After a period of time, they will have converted all of the matter to atomic nuclei too large for them to fuse and enter an end stage (which varies wildly depending on the size of the star).. and eventually fade out (unless they've already exploded with enough force to destroy themselves).

Yes absolutely, as i said, we know that eventually the universe will go dark.... Also the fact all stars with go super/hyper Nova... We might even see a Hyper Nova in ourlife time!

But my point is that it makes no difference at all if any life makes any use of the emissions from the star at any point in that process - they're not consuming the star.

Much like, so people living a long and happy life disease free... But eventually the body runs out of finite resources

I suppose it would maybe be technically possible to actually consume a star, but why would anyone do that? A star is a superb long-lasting power supply. A civilisation would get billions of years out of most stars. Why on earth would they consume it, even if they could?

WE NEED MORE POWAAAAAA

We're not absolutely certain about how the universe will change over trillions of years, but it does very much look like entropy will eventually win out and the universe will be effectively dead.

But bear in mind that we are talking about trillions of years from now.

Time is relative after all....

Many trillions of years. Many times any reasonable projection of the existence of humans, that's for sure. If our unimaginably distant descendents still exist then, they won't be like us. We have no idea what they would know and what they could do. Making a new universe and moving to it is just words to us, but maybe they could do it. Or maybe they could reboot this one. Or maybe they could do something we don't even have words for in order to make a new home for themselves. Many trillions of years is a long time for an intelligent species to upgrade their knowledge, their technology and their minds.

ABSO-BLINKIN-LUTELY
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Great post. Thank you
 
[TFU] Thegoon84 said:
Great post. Thank you
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Yup, nice post by @Angilion

Don't forget that our technology is still rather beginner, so to say. We can't see well the Edgeworth–Kuiper belt, which is in our Solar system, let alone you wanna find evidence for life in distant solar systems. Not gonna happen soon.
Maybe after the James Webb space telescope is launched in a couple of years.
 
[TFU] Thegoon84 said:
Which got me thinking, what if the "known" universe is actually a living person and we are what is beyond the sight of a normal telescope aka "sub atomic" particles...
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You need to think like a God in order to theorise these kinds of things and unfortunately our brains as amazing as they are infinitely too small to grasp the sheer complexity of it all and calculate the paradoxes that will arise from such theory

What you are suggesting is a never ending loop of universes being atoms of much larger things inside universes being atoms of even larger things inside universes being atoms of vastly larger things and so on

People shy away from talking about stuff this deep because it's simply unfathomable to most minds, it's why the vast majority of humans on the planet believe in a divine being, because it's much easier to comprehend that something created everything rather than try to work out how everything came from a single singularity from nothing
 
Minusorange said:
You need to think like a God in order to theorise these kinds of things and unfortunately our brains as amazing as they are infinitely too small to grasp the sheer complexity of it all and calculate the paradoxes that will arise from such theory

What you are suggesting is a never ending loop of universes being atoms of much larger things inside universes being atoms of even larger things inside universes being atoms of vastly larger things and so on

People shy away from talking about stuff this deep because it's simply unfathomable to most minds, it's why the vast majority of humans on the planet believe in a divine being, because it's much easier to comprehend that something created everything rather than try to work out how everything came from a single singularity from nothing
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Wow........ This. I have nothing to add. Bravo
 
Minusorange said:
You need to think like a God in order to theorise these kinds of things and unfortunately our brains as amazing as they are infinitely too small to grasp the sheer complexity of it all and calculate the paradoxes that will arise from such theory

What you are suggesting is a never ending loop of universes being atoms of much larger things inside universes being atoms of even larger things inside universes being atoms of vastly larger things and so on

People shy away from talking about stuff this deep because it's simply unfathomable to most minds, it's why the vast majority of humans on the planet believe in a divine being, because it's much easier to comprehend that something created everything rather than try to work out how everything came from a single singularity from nothing
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Most people have personal problems how to survive for the next day - what they will eat tomorrow, this kind of daily stuff.

We need to think how to save the Planet from ourselves and to be able to grow in population without destroying ecosystems. Our current population is still extremely low for the damages we introduce to the Planet.

The capitalists governments must get their act together.
 
4K8KW10 said:
Most people have personal problems how to survive for the next day - what they will eat tomorrow, this kind of daily stuff.

We need to think how to save the Planet from ourselves and to be able to grow in population without destroying ecosystems. Our current population is still extremely low for the damages we introduce to the Planet.

The capitalists governments must get their act together.
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Totally babe!!!! I mean, what has science and forward thinking ever done for the world like.... PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
 
Diddums said:
I've gotta say, this midnight Saturday thread is rather anus.
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adolf hamster said:
You changed the result by measuring it. Don't **** with quantum
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Damn you're knowledge of quatum mechanics.... WHY DID I OPEN THE BOX!!!!! However, As per your statement, "anyone who pretends to understand it, doesn't really"....... Well........ Do you?
 
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