Yes that happens quite a lot. My wife doesn't look disabled, and have had a couple of run ins with ignorant *****, every time it's been an old man doing it too.
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I don't see an issue. If the car has a permit just direct the complainant to the badge and walk away.
Surely it's the only thing that separates who can you the space as we all "look the same"
If they don't choose to believe you, it's their time they waste.
Surely it's the only thing that separates who can you the space as we all "look the same"
If they don't choose to believe you, it's their time they waste.
You're far too kind to him.
I'm not sure if I'm the only disabled person on the thread so far (apologises if I missed someone), but I agree this ableism insult is just another insult like terf is when discussing transgender issues. It's not really helpful.
There is real discrimination. But I think we should separate actual disabled people from these self appointed groups that sometimes are presenting a very negative outlook by getting in to name-calling.
I am a bit of a maverick because many disabled people just go along with it (many might feel they don't have a choice, especially if they rely on help 24/7). It's probably much like any group its easy to go with the flow.
All new buildings should have access in mind, and so should older buildings (maybe up to a certain date) be retro-fitted where reasonably possible with ramps at the very least.
Unless you die suddenly then everyone here will get to a stage where you're going to need help dressing and undressing and maybe need someone to wipe your butt. So when thinking about the difficulties of disabled people being able to get around, one day most likely that could be you. Think of it as you helping to prepare for a future where you'll be able to still retain some kind of freedom.
There is real discrimination. But I think we should separate actual disabled people from these self appointed groups that sometimes are presenting a very negative outlook by getting in to name-calling.
I am a bit of a maverick because many disabled people just go along with it (many might feel they don't have a choice, especially if they rely on help 24/7). It's probably much like any group its easy to go with the flow.
All new buildings should have access in mind, and so should older buildings (maybe up to a certain date) be retro-fitted where reasonably possible with ramps at the very least.
Unless you die suddenly then everyone here will get to a stage where you're going to need help dressing and undressing and maybe need someone to wipe your butt. So when thinking about the difficulties of disabled people being able to get around, one day most likely that could be you. Think of it as you helping to prepare for a future where you'll be able to still retain some kind of freedom.
Yeah the last time it happened the tool followed us in to a shop still ranting, he refused to even look at the badge in the car, he was very close to becoming disabled himself.
Firstly Twitter is the third circle of hell, end of. It gives anyone a soapbox and within two minutes flat their ego is somehow inflated to the point of uber-self-importance, to the detriment of everyone else and their opinions.
However, Twitter is indicative of wider social issues, definitely in this country and seemingly across the western 'civilised' world:
Individualism is rife, everyone has to be 'living the best life', empathy has been replaced by an empty 'woke' culture which is more about making the right noises on social media to boost one's own ego or standing rather than truly getting to understand the problems and issues of others.
Seemingly conversely but also related, massive tribalism is rife too, partly fueled by social media. While aspects of social media are good, bringing geographically separated but like-minded groups together, many of these groups then descend into introversion, "how would you know, you're not one of us" type reactions, following on to fueling mistrust and even hatred of outsiders, as in this Ableism case, but also things like MGTOW or the Incel movement.
Twitter - and social media in general - has given everyone a mouthpiece akin to a megaphone, but nearly everyone on it is too busy shouting into it to listen
However, Twitter is indicative of wider social issues, definitely in this country and seemingly across the western 'civilised' world:
Individualism is rife, everyone has to be 'living the best life', empathy has been replaced by an empty 'woke' culture which is more about making the right noises on social media to boost one's own ego or standing rather than truly getting to understand the problems and issues of others.
Seemingly conversely but also related, massive tribalism is rife too, partly fueled by social media. While aspects of social media are good, bringing geographically separated but like-minded groups together, many of these groups then descend into introversion, "how would you know, you're not one of us" type reactions, following on to fueling mistrust and even hatred of outsiders, as in this Ableism case, but also things like MGTOW or the Incel movement.
Twitter - and social media in general - has given everyone a mouthpiece akin to a megaphone, but nearly everyone on it is too busy shouting into it to listen
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I can certainly attest to the tribalism on social media aspect, I got rid of my facebook account because of that very issue, just because "so called" friends of mine knew I voted a certain way, once the election was over the torrent of abuse that came from them was unreal, and this was from people I had known for 25+ years. Least not forgetting the negativity coming from them as well. It was literally doom and gloom from the get go.
moaning about people taking up spaces....whilst sitting there taking up a 'good space' close to the shop, muppet
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This came up on my feed today. Just go to another pub if you don’t like the policy?!?!
Only if we let it, giving these social justice retards oxygen is the reason we're in such a mess at the moment. The moment everyone starts to ignore twitter the better the western world will be.
I think the issue is that it's basically telling people who require their phone for things like medical devices that they're not welcome in the pub.
That is potentially a very big issue for the pub chain in terms of the disability discrimination laws, as for example there are hearing aids that use the phone to make adjustments, partially sighted users may be using the phone as a "reading aid" for the menu (it's either acting as a magnifier or reading out the text), diabetics using apps to monitor their blood sugar (IIRC there are glucose readers that connect to an app to log your readings automatically and give advice) and those are just the obvious instances, whilst people with allergies may be using the phone to check what's in something.
I can understand a "no phones" policy if it's enforced within reason, but blindly banning them regardless is going to lead to issues, as increasingly a lot of things that used to be done via separate specialist devices are now being done either through the phone or with the phone as the controller because it makes them easier/more user friendly (this is especially true of medical devices and disability aid - I remember when things like reading aids for the blind were massive, expensive and not portable, now a half decent phone with the right app can do it anywhere).
All it will take for the pub to potentially face a big fine is for one person who uses their phone for something medical/disability related to make a complaint or take legal action and it's potentially a very straight forward case (as the law only requires "reasonable steps to accommodate" from the business, and in this instance there is nothing unreasonable about allowing things like the phone as a disability aid as it costs the company nothing).
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Indeed. It's the sort of policy that makes sense to people who don't understand the needs of other people, either because they haven't put the effort in to think of other perspectives, or because they don't care to.
Luckily, this is likely to be indirect discrimination and therefore subject to legal remedies.
I know, and have a guess how he responds to people criticising his muppetry (apparently he gets a lot of grief on Facebook for his various antics) - yup, he blames "the PC brigade" of course.
It sounds like the policy was done with the noble intention of stopping people going on their mobile phones instead of actually talking to each other.
I think the problem in this situation is the staff are taking the rule to the extreme and I suspect are implementing it in such a way that they are leaving the pub open to possible legal action.
I'm not a big fan of legal action. I'd much prefer for this person who wrote on social media to contact the head of the pub chain and tell them. In the meantime I would boycott the pub and advise everyone else to do the same. We live in a free market economy and have a choice to go to go to anywhere of our choosing. This means if this pub is causing issues then its for the people to use their action to cause them financial punishment by no longer patronising that business.
I don't think it's so much the staff being silly, but apparently the owner of the chain is someone who once he decrees something will punish the staff for not enforcing it without exception, IIRC he shut one of his pubs that had just been refurbished because he went in and heard a customer swearing which was against his rules, putting everyone out of a job, and was the same guy who refused permission to put up a temporary bridge on some land he owned when flooding damaged the normal one that was adjacent with the result people had to take a 10 mile detour (I believe he's also tried to block foot path access on his land in the past).
When you've got that sort of personality behind the chain it's unsurprising the staff will not allow any exceptions if the ruling they've got is that it's straight up no electric devices.
Having read a bit about it, it seems that various of the pubs have been asked by customers and been told no exceptions, so it's very unlikely it's one location misunderstanding the rules.
Which puts it straight up into the "no dogs, no exceptions" category when inevitably a complaint is made about discrimination, as it appears likely that's what it will take
Also you say we're in a free market economy, that is true but a free market economy where companies still have to abide by the law, would you have the same attitude is the company decided food safety was something they could ignore freely?
When you've got that sort of personality behind the chain it's unsurprising the staff will not allow any exceptions if the ruling they've got is that it's straight up no electric devices.
Having read a bit about it, it seems that various of the pubs have been asked by customers and been told no exceptions, so it's very unlikely it's one location misunderstanding the rules.
Which puts it straight up into the "no dogs, no exceptions" category when inevitably a complaint is made about discrimination, as it appears likely that's what it will take
Also you say we're in a free market economy, that is true but a free market economy where companies still have to abide by the law, would you have the same attitude is the company decided food safety was something they could ignore freely?