About to order - indecisiveness sets in!

@ kcer - I've just been suitably informed that the P5W DH does now at least ship with a useable BIOS - but this still may require flashing once you're up and running to the most recent version. If you've never done it before, it's a fairly straight forward process - especially with the Asus mobo's as they include a flash program to allow you to do it from bootup:

"EZ-Flash2
EZ Flash 2 is a user-friendly BIOS update utility. Simply press the predefined hotkey to launch the utility and update the BIOS without entering the OS. Update your BIOS easily without preparing a bootable diskette or using an OS-based flash utility."

Check out the specs sheet for more info.
 
Since Conroe is the upperhand now, what is the reply from AMD and whe can it be expected? If we're talking half a year here I would most likely get the AMD and just upgrade to their latest when possible. I'm assuming its going to be AM2.
 
AM2 is already out and being used. Currently, their AM2 Athlon X2 4800+ and 5000+ are about equal (if not slower than) the Allendale E6400 (Conroe but with only 2Mb L2 cache instead of the Conroe's 4Mb). The E6400 even equals the FX-60 in some applications/games. But bare in mind, the E6400 is only a fraction of the cost of these AMD chips currently (E6400 = £160 inc VAT & X2 5000 = £223 inc VAT). That's an £83 increase for a cpu that works less efficiently and slower than the Intel. I won't even bother to mention the cost of the FX-60 and 62 chips in comparison. Let's put it this way, you could probably get a little bit of change from a kidney! :D

edit: AFAIK, AMD's only response will be the AM2 Athlon X2's and the FX range (60, 62 etc). All of these are currently out at the moment, but none share the same clever architecture as the Intel chip. The cores in these still work independently of one another and less efficiently than the Intel ones. And considering this is Intel's first batch of Duo Core cpu's, it won't be long before they're releasing 3+Ghz versions as standard - and that's before overclocking! And when they do, you can expect the current top end chips (E6800 Extreme) to drop in price, allowing you to upgrade, overclock and still receive some serious power and performance for less money.

I think the phrase is - win, win. :)

2nd edit: Bare in mind that AMD were the first to release the 64bit chips (I seem to think?) and the X2 cpu's. And yet now, Intel have overtaken them at their own game with better architecture and performance. The FX chips are only a couple of years old now, but the AM2 X2's are more recent. Having just begun the move to AM2 sockets, it would be unwise of AMD to change this again any time soon. However, I'm not sure if the AM2 sockets could cope with the level of performance that will be seen in the Conroe cpu's (or an architecture revision to the X2/FX cpu's to make them work more like the Intel ones either)? To be honest, I don't know enough about it, but from what I've read, AMD will be lagging for a while yet.

Also, ask yourself the question - why do you show loyalty to a brand? Surely as a conscientious consumer you should be opting for the best value for yourself? Is AMD going to thank you for staying loyal and buying their product? I would suggest putting the loyatly aside and basing your judgement on the facts and on other people's (and not just my) views. :)
 
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AM2 is already out and being used. Currently, their AM2 Athlon X2 4800+ and 5000+ are about equal (if not slower than) the Allendale E6400 (Conroe but with only 2Mb L2 cache instead of the Conroe's 4Mb). The E6400 even equals the FX-60 in some applications/games. But bare in mind, the E6400 is only a fraction of the cost of these AMD chips currently (E6400 = £160 inc VAT & X2 5000 = £223 inc VAT). That's an £83 increase for a cpu that works less efficiently and slower than the Intel. I won't even bother to mention the cost of the FX-60 and 62 chips in comparison. Let's put it this way, you could probably get a little bit of change from a kidney!

edit: AFAIK, AMD's only response will be the AM2 Athlon X2's and the FX range (60, 62 etc). All of these are currently out at the moment, but none share the same clever architecture as the Intel chip. The cores in these still work independently of one another and less efficiently than the Intel ones. And considering this is Intel's first batch of Duo Core cpu's, it won't be long before they're releasing 3+Ghz versions as standard - and that's before overclocking! And when they do, you can expect the current top end chips (E6800 Extreme) to drop in price, allowing you to upgrade, overclock and still receive some serious power and performance for less money.

I think the phrase is - win, win. :)
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extremely convincing post there, thanks again :D
 
And as someone has just pointed out to me in another thread - the comaprison I gave above between the E6400 @ 2.13Ghz and the X2 4800+ & 5000+ is inaccurate. If you were to overclock the E6400 to approximately 3+Ghz (which is easily achievable with the right components and considering it's stability), it would equal the performance of an FX-62 without much of a problem. And again, at a fraction of the price.

/hammers home last nail in AMD vs. Intel argument coffin. :D
 
1 final question then I'll let this thread die :p

is the preorder status a prerelease order? or is it saying that OC must order them in and dont actively stock them?
 
And the 'Magic 8 Ball' says......

......dunno. :p

Sorry mate, I really don't know the answer to this one. Perhaps one of the mods could answer it, otherwise you may need to contact OcUK direct.

But don't let the thread die.............it's alive I tell you, ALIVE!!!!

:eek: :eek: :eek: :D
 
afaik it means that they are awaiting stock, so when you place an order for said product it is placed, and your money taken on the promise that goods are sent as soon as they are in stock :)
 
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