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AC4 Nvidia pop at AMD...

layte said:
Which makes you wonder about this: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18569557
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The source of that page has been taken down.

Its one company making a public statement to that effect, another company did a similar thing (Orange PC) only it later transpired Nvidia had paid them off....

its not really good business to publicly state that you have a high failure rate with a brand of GPU's, you might be trying to say that vendor are crap (as a business why would you do that?) while a number of people might actually read as "that particular company has a problem with that brand"

This is the largest retailer for GPU's in the UK... this is what they say in response to a post with a small number of members insisting AMD are unreliable.

Gibbo said:
Our returns rate is less than 5%, same for a card like GTX 780, so I think that maybe the black screen issue is overly talked about but in reality can't be that bad when the statistics for returns seem pretty much around the same as other high-end cards from AMD and NVIDIA.

I don't think there is any issue with the reference board, I've got one in my home PC, I only get a black screen if I try to push the memory from its stock 5000Mhz to beyond 6200MHz, anything under 6200MHz and there is no issue. I've tested cards at OcUK upto 6600-6800MHz with no black screen issues. Several members of staff here have 290's in crossfire and tri-fire, again no black screen issues.

If there was a failure in the design we'd have a 100% return rate. So AMD's design seems perfectly fine and until more custom cards come out, there is nothing to say that cards not using AMD designs won't suffer the same black screens. What it could most likely be is the simple fact Hawaii is a brand new architecture and some of the game coders are still adapting their software to run properly on it, hence why we see both game patches and AMD software to address the issue. Which obviously has some truth to it as newer cards still using AMD reference design seem to be having less issues which is no doubt down too because new purchases are using new software, later AMD drivers, games already patched. But more importantly it was probably something to do with the BIOS on the cards.

My Asus 290X reference at home before would only benchmark upto 6200MHz and was only game stable and black screen free upto around 5800-6000MHz. Asus released a new BIOS and I can now game upto 6200MHz and benchmark upto 6500Mhz.

So I personally feel that the issue is a mix of BIOS not correctly optimised for the memory fitted to the cards and drivers/software patches not correctly optimised for Hawaii architecture.
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I have had 4 AMD GPU's in the last 4 years, every one has been rock solid.

Red or Green they are made by the same people using the same components, if they didn't someone will have noticed and pointed it out, that brand will have then got a bad rep for it.
 
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humbug said:
I have had 4 AMD GPU's in the last 4 years, every one has been rock solid.
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I have had about the same and the cards were equally rock solid (driver issues aside) in fact I would go as far as saying the HD7990 seemed very well engineered, a real solid piece of kit.

I feel that in general PEBKAC and RNG have more impact on GPU reliability than the brand or manufacturer.

Well, aside from XFX :P
 
ubersonic said:
I have had about the same and the cards were equally rock solid (driver issues aside) in fact I would go as far as saying the HD7990 seemed very well engineered, a real solid piece of kit.

I feel that in general PEBKAC and RNG have more impact on GPU reliability than the brand or manufacturer.

Well, aside from XFX :P
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Excluding XFX GPU's yes. :o

PEBKAC has some merit IMO, AMD GPU's are fully unlocked, they are a lot more like K or Black Edition CPU's.

They allow more volts on the core than Nvidia, they also have unlocked volts on the PPL and Memory IC's, Nvidia will only let to draw an extra 6% more power, while AMD will let you draw 50% more power, so while a 300 watt Nvidia GPU will only let feed it with 318 watts max, AMD will let you feed the GPU with upto 450 Watts.

In short Nvidia GPU's are a bit like MAC's, completely lock up so its impossible to break them.

AMD's GPU's you have the freedom to do pretty much what you like to it, but if you have no idea what your doing and are being a bit stupid you can easily break it. LtMatt :p

Whats the answer, lock them up? i very much hope not!
 
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humbug said:
AMD's GPU you have the freedom to do pretty much what you like to it, but if you have no idea what your doing and are being a bit stupid you can easily break it. LtMatt :p
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I've never broken any of my gpu's from overclocking/over volting. I may have ripped a vrm off once accidentally, but thats only because i don't know my own strength. :D
 
Had a 4870x2 die (After I'd sold it)
Sold a 5870 to an L2N'er and he killed it :p
Had three 6870's die (My 2 launch Sapphires, and then a Sapphire VapourX in my GF's Dads build)
Had a 7970 lack a screw to needed RMA'ing, and then the replacement 7970 died.
 
I've had well over 10 different GPU's from both Green and Red and I have never had one go wrong! Said before, both do great cards so go with what you want and like as long as you are happy with it who cares???? People should be mouthing off against games companies more because since console (PS3, 360) became huge, PC gamers get crappy ports and don't take advantage.

Yeah I got a PS4 but I mainly game on PC!
 
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