accident - who is in the wrong here?

Fuzz · 6 Oct 2011 at 21:49

Actually, I'm a bit lost on the actions of TP1...

Why would he be exiting the roundabout in lane 2a dn indicating / moving to lane 3, when lane 3 ends in a 100 yards or so??

You've already said your missus swerved right, hit the kerb etc etc, so that clearly puts you both off the roundabout and onto the desired exit, so it's not like he was trying to take a different exit and continue round the roundabout..

Robdav · 6 Oct 2011 at 21:49

Scubascorpion said:
Out of interest and in trying to get in the mindset of a woman driver...

Which road direction had she come from to get onto the roundabout in the first place.

If you look at the map, she was on the A331 heading towards the roundabout with a view to continuing on the A331, under the M3 and off towards Camberley/Sandhurst.

Robdav · 6 Oct 2011 at 21:54

SilverTongue said:
Farnborough myself, but go through Sandhurst everyday on the way to Wokingham

Well nice to "meet" another local

Fuzz · 6 Oct 2011 at 21:56

Robdav said:
If you look at the map, she was on the A331 heading towards the roundabout with a view to continuing on the A331, under the M3 and off towards Camberley/Sandhurst.

So she physically moved to the fourth lane of the entrance to that roundabout on the southern side, to put her in the third lane of the roundabout, knowing full well the lane merges on her desired exit?

Robdav · 6 Oct 2011 at 21:59

Fuzz · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:01

Thought so.

The brains of a woman are never to be understood.

Robdav · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:02

thank you.

Fuzz · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:05

I take it you've had this same little "chat" to her as well then.

"If you were in the right damn lane to start with woman" etc etc LOL

Robdav · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:12

Scubascorpion said:
I take it you've had this same little "chat" to her as well then.

"If you were in the right damn lane to start with woman" etc etc LOL

Acutally no, as she was not in the wrong lane.

If the lane was incorrect it would be marked as a right turn only lane and not as a straight on AND right turn lane as clearly shown by the road marking. In addition the lane marking from the inside lane of the roundabout naturally lead you into "lane 3" where you then have an option of moving straight on or turning right.

Rich_L · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:13

It's probably TP1's fault but without witnesses it could go either way especially if TP1 claims your car was joining with lane 2 and then panicked - crappy situation, one of those where its good practice to assume the other driver is an idiot and stay well back

Robdav · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:16

judging from the defensive and slightly agressive attitude I got when speaking with TP1 I would suggest that your comment is indeed correct... and that perhaps he was feeling guilty or simply wanted to try to deflect from the fact that he left the accident scene?

Fuzz · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:18

What I am getting at is the fact she moved out of a perfectly good lane to traverse the roundabout that would have taken her round to the exit cleanly in a "one lane sweep" where she would have had no need what-so-ever to change lanes, indicate or make any other unnecessary move.

cm1179 · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:19

how can he cut into lane 3 if it is a lane that merges with lane 2 and thus becomes non existent, he can't really change lanes surely as lane 2 (the lane he is in) never ends whereas lane 3 merges into lane 2? are you sure your wife wasn't actually (well, obviously if i'm envisaging the layout correctly) merging into lane 2 as would be expected and if anything, should have let off the accelerator until it was safe to merge?

Fuzz · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:23

I'm seeing it as she tried to use lane three to "beat the traffic" and the dude in lane 2 has done the "where do you think you are going love" and tried to not let her in on the exit.
Only the bird has over reacted, steered right into the kerb, lost control, bust the steering and ended up in the middle of the road parked in the side of the BMW..

comical

cm1179 · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:24

Scubascorpion said:
I'm seeing it as she tried to use lane three to "beat the traffic" and the dude in lane 2 has done the "where do you think you are going love" and tried to not let her in on the exit.
Only the bird has over reacted, steered right into the kerb, lost control, bust the steering and ended up in the middle of the road..

i would put money on that is what has happened

just lucky no one was injured badly

Robdav · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:25

From the description it appears that TP1 moved across from lane 2, which you rightly point out contiues onwards, into lane 3, forcing my wife to move to the right to avoid being hit.

Robdav · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:28

Scubascorpion said:
comical

I'm glad that you are amused by the situation. Thank you.

cm1179 · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:29

Robdav said:
From the description it appears that TP1 moved across from lane 2, which you rightly point out contiues onwards, into lane 3, forcing my wife to move to the right to avoid being hit.

but that's not strictly true. it is lane 3 that ends, not lane 2, he is not moving into lane 3, lane 3 merges into lane 2. i'm not having a go but your wife is likely at fault here, ok maybe the bloke could've been courteous and let off the accelerator but he doesn't have to, in a merging lane, the responsibility is on the person who has to merge to make sure it is safe to do so. all the bloke in lane 2 has really done, is drive in the set lane.

Fuzz · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:30

I am amused at a womans thought process, that is all.

Robdav · 6 Oct 2011 at 22:34

That's the point, he wasn't driving in the set lane at all, he moved across into lane 3, crossing the dividing line between lanes and into lane 3. he continued on in lane 3 as it went back into lane 2.

If he had continued in lane 2 then my wife would have been able to filter in behind him as is the proper way of doing things in this situation.