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Hi all..

Ive set up a new business ( *sole trader not a limited company* ) and have a quick question/query that i hope someone will be able to help me with..



Right here goes.. :rolleyes:

I have 2 bank accounts.One is my business account and the other my personal account.
All the money i earn i pay in to my business account..
Now each month i just transfer x amount across to my personal account and call it my wages.
Now because im a sole trader do i just pay tax on the amount i pay myself or do i have to pay tax on the amount that i leave in my business account?.
 
rs125 said:
Hi all..

Ive set up a new business ( *sole trader not a limited company* ) and have a quick question/query that i hope someone will be able to help me with..



Right here goes.. :rolleyes:

I have 2 bank accounts.One is my business account and the other my personal account.
All the money i earn i pay in to my business account..
Now each month i just transfer x amount across to my personal account and call it my wages.
Now because im a sole trader do i just pay tax on the amount i pay myself or do i have to pay tax on the amount that i leave in my business account?.

If you're a sole trader you don't get wages. You get a share of the profits. You'll need to keep track of how much you "pay" yourself and then it'll go on your self assessment tax return and get added to the remaining amount of profits you made (which will be in your business account, probably) and then you'll pay tax on the total amount of profits in that year.
 
As above, you'll need to do self-assessment every year (which is deadlined in January, else you face a £100+ fine which can rise still further). Your best bet is getting some help from an accountant - supply him with all the info (bank statements, sales, stock records, work done, hours worked, etc. from all your records) and he'll do it for you. As a new start-up, you should be getting some financial advice from someone anyway to make sure you don't make any basic accounting mistakes.
 
Aarrrhh thats annoying because i was hoping to just leave the money in my business account to expand the business..Dont really want to have to go limited but sounds like ill have to..Cheers for the info guys :)
 
rs125 said:
Aarrrhh thats annoying because i was hoping to just leave the money in my business account to expand the business..Dont really want to have to go limited but sounds like ill have to..Cheers for the info guys :)

Heh. You'll still pay tax as a limited company. Limited is just to do with how liable you are personally in the event of the company getting into debt or getting sued or whatever.
 
O right i thought i could just leave the money in the business account and not get taxed on it!.. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Might as well just pay it all over to my personal account then..
 
rs125 said:
O right i thought i could just leave the money in the business account and not get taxed on it!.. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Might as well just pay it all over to my personal account then..

I'm a complete n00b at this but as long as you reinvest that money back into the business before the end of the tax year, then you can just claim the tax back as expenses?

Sounds like you don't no the inn's and outs could be worth getting an account why you read some books on the subject.
 
AcidHell2 said:
I'm a complete n00b at this but as long as you reinvest that money back into the business before the end of the tax year, then you can just claim the tax back as expenses?

No, you'll pay tax on any profits you make, even if you try to reinvest them in some way. You can get some tax relief by various means (capital allowances would be a reasonably easy one) but you'll still be taxed.

AcidHell2 said:
Sounds like you don't no the inn's and outs could be worth getting an account why you read some books on the subject.

An accountant would definitely help.
 
rs125 said:
Hi all..

Ive set up a new business ( *sole trader not a limited company* ) and have a quick question/query that i hope someone will be able to help me with..



Right here goes.. :rolleyes:

I have 2 bank accounts.One is my business account and the other my personal account.
All the money i earn i pay in to my business account..
Now each month i just transfer x amount across to my personal account and call it my wages.
Now because im a sole trader do i just pay tax on the amount i pay myself or do i have to pay tax on the amount that i leave in my business account?.
So far as the taxman is concerned, there is no distinction between earnings based on which account they're paid into, and you aren't taxed on the basis of bank balance, but on net profits.

It works something like this :-


Revenue

Sales £x
Cost of sales £y

Gross Profit £x-y


Expenses

Travel £exp1
Rent £exp2
Electricity £exp3
Stationery £exp4

Total Expenses £E = sum(exp1 : exp4)

Net Profit = Gross Profit - Expenses = £x-y - £E


So, you'll add up all your business income for the trading year (regardless of what account you paid it into, or left it in, then deduct the cost of the items you sold (assuming you sold goods not services), then deduct your business expenses, to end up with profit subject to tax.

That figure will go on your income tax return as income from self-employment.

But, in order to get to the tax you'll actually pay, there's a range of other things to take into account. If you bought capital items for the business (computer, office furniture, fax machine, etc), YOU own those items, so you can't claim depreciation against them as a limited company would, but you do get some capital allowances against your income tax. So, they don't change your profit figure, but they do go on the tax return and change the tax you pay. Other things that change the tax you pay will include earnings from other sources (such as employment, share dividends, pensions, property, foreign investments (subject to double tax provisions) and so on.


Trading as a limited company might make good tax sense. Much will depend on your figures and circumstances. But, running a limited company has other implications too. For a start, as a company director you're subject to the provisions of several bits of company law, and there are several hundred criminal offences only a director can commit. So you need to watch your step. Secondly, there's quite a bit more bureacracy and form-filling, both for Companies House (annual returns, etc) and the Inland Revenue (monthly PAYE/NI returns, annual Corporation Tax return, etc), so you'll either need to buckle down to learning about this stuff or, more likely if the business is doing well enough to justify going limited, pay someone to do it for you. Then there's the filing fees for the above, though they're trivial.

And, of course, you change your legal status if you go limited. Where will the company registered office be? Did you realise you'd have a legal obligation to display a plaque outside such company premises? Who's the company secretary (because a limited company requires either two directors, or a director and a different company secretary, as a minimum requirement), and so on.

Before you go limited, you'd be well-advised to consult an accountant, at a minimum.
 
AcidHell2 said:
I'm a complete n00b at this but as long as you reinvest that money back into the business before the end of the tax year, then you can just claim the tax back as expenses?
Well, as vonhelmit said, no, not really. Or rather, not exactly.

For instance, if you "reinvested" by buying stock, that wouldn't work because opening and closing stock levels are taken into account when calculating cost of goods sold, to get to gross profit.

And if you bought capital items, then by definition, they aren't expenses, so don't affect profits. But, you do get capital allowances on capital purchases. So yes, there's an element of tax relief on that profit to be gained from reinvesting.
 
Thank you for the replys guys there is a lot of good advice and ive taken it all on board. :)

One last question though :rolleyes:

Ive been looking at tax allowances on the HM Revenue site and it says that when you hit wages of £33,300 you have to pay 40% tax..Now i get that bit BUT - say i earnt £50,000 do i pay 40% on the whole 50k or do you just pay the standard 22% on everything up to £33,300 then 40% on any more.. :confused:


gavin..
 
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