Adopting a dog

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We would like to get a dog. Nothing fancy, just a small-medium sized dog with a good nature, safe around kids and other dogs, and a decent bill of health. I always thought, possibly naively, that there are thousands of decent dogs out there looking for a home. However having been on the search for a few months, my experience thus far is that there are a lot of problematic dogs looking for homes and very few dogs suitable for a family with young children.

Pertinent observations:
  • There are a lot of street dogs being shipped over from Romania and Macedonia with a fairly steep adoption fee, ~£500. With so many dogs in UK rescues (allegedly), I don’t understand this. It seems like an organised racket to me.
  • UK based dogs seem to fall into one of two categories. Firstly, dogs that have been abandoned by chav owners. Staffies and Lurchers with the expected behavioural traits. Secondly, the more normal dogs seem to almost always have significant underlying health or behavioural problems.
  • The handful of decent dogs I have tried to adopt, the process to even be considered is more personally invasive than some job interviews. Having met all of the criteria, I’ve jumped through many hoops only to be headed off by someone else, or to be ghosted.

So as much as I want to do the supposedly right thing and adopt a homeless dog, I’m beginning to realise it may be easier, cheaper, and safer to just buy a puppy from a reputable breeder. Has anyone else had a similar experience or am I doing something wrong?
 
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Adopting is perhaps more challenging than outright 'owning' a dog and your three bullet points sound like adoption isn't the right option for you. Either re-evaluate why you want to adopt (hint: it is for the dog first, you second) or re-consider the approach.

e: this sounded less antagonistic in my head while typing. No offence meant.
 
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Whats wrong with the lurchers? There are lots round me, and whippets/greyhounds and they are great dogs. Totally not chavvy at all and they aren’t known for aggression. They are great flat dogs as they don’t take much walking, are docile and friendly.

However if you think £500 is steep for a vaccinated, neutered rescue, you’re in for a shock if you’re going down the puppy route. Probably be 4x that at the end of the process.
 
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I think you may be right that adoption isn’t right for me as the risk is too high. But I do wonder who it is right for? Are there people out there who give a home to these dogs which come with significant problems? Or do all of the good dogs get snapped up befor being offered to the wider public?
 
Adopted a rescue from Bosnia. He's been a lovely amazing boy. Nicer than all 6 of my families (sisters, parents) dogs.

Its a lovely thing to do to rescue one if you can. I wouldn't have a puppy myself with so many needing homes.

Tried to adopt a UK rescue. But too many issues. And the rescue was too fussy.
 
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I think you may be right that adoption isn’t right for me as the risk is too high. But I do wonder who it is right for? Are there people out there who give a home to these dogs which come with significant problems? Or do all of the good dogs get snapped up befor being offered to the wider public?

Of course there are people out there who give homes to dogs with problems. That's basically the whole idea?
 
Whats wrong with the lurchers? There are lots round me, and whippets/greyhounds and they are great dogs. Totally not chavvy at all and they aren’t known for aggression. They are great flat dogs as they don’t take much walking, are docile and friendly.
I don’t doubt that well reared lurchers can be great dogs. The ones I have seen in rescues had been used for hunting and came with the associated problems. I haven’t yet seen one in a rescue which would fit the ‘family pet‘ category.
 
Adopted a rescue from Bosnia. He's been a lovely amazing boy. Nicer than all 6 of my families (sisters, parents) dogs.

Its a lovely thing to do to rescue one if you can. I wouldn't have a puppy myself with so many needing homes.

Tried to adopt a UK rescue. But too many issues. And the rescue was too fussy.
Sounds like your experience with UK rescues is similar to mine. Good to hear a positive report about your dog from Bosnia. Having seen so many, I was concerned it was a scheme being abused by people in it for the money.
 
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Sounds like your experience with UK rescues is similar to mine. Good to hear a positive report about your dog from Bosnia. Having seen so many, I was concerned it was a scheme being abused by people in it for the money.

Yeah it was a nightmare. I can't remember the reasons they didn't let us have one. But it was ridiculously tedious.
 
I don’t doubt that well reared lurchers can be great dogs. The ones I have seen in rescues had been used for hunting and came with the associated problems. I haven’t yet seen one in a rescue which would fit the ‘family pet‘ category.
Oh, here they seem to be ex racers more than anything. Probably a dozen rescues in my area I see regularly that my dog plays with and not seen any dangerous ones. I know some who have a high prey drive, probably a hunter, and the owners just keep them on the lead or only off lead in enclosed places.

You sound like you expect the dog to be perfect, no dog will be and will take lots of training and care to get it to where you want it. This is true for a puppy and even a rescued dog that came from a decent background.

I have a rescue golden retriever, but my mum got a rescue mongrel from a charity rescuing dogs from Eastern Europe and she’s great. Very shy and nervous but great now. Definitely not a con.
 
Oh, here they seem to be ex racers more than anything. Probably a dozen rescues in my area I see regularly that my dog plays with and not seen any dangerous ones. I know some who have a high prey drive, probably a hunter, and the owners just keep them on the lead or only off lead in enclosed places.

You sound like you expect the dog to be perfect, no dog will be and will take lots of training and care to get it to where you want it. This is true for a puppy and even a rescued dog that came from a decent background.

I have a rescue golden retriever, but my mum got a rescue mongrel from a charity rescuing dogs from Eastern Europe and she’s great. Very shy and nervous but great now. Definitely not a con.

Koda was very scared of everything at the start. Especially cars. And the subwoofer.
But didn't take him long to settle in.
Now he gives no *****

He's so quiet compared to my families yappy noisy dogs. Noisy dogs drive me insane.

I kept kodas old rescue picture. It always makes me sad thinking where he came from and all other dogs that don't get homes.
 
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Yeah it was a nightmare. I can't remember the reasons they didn't let us have one. But it was ridiculously tedious.
The contrast in those pictures speaks volumes. Koda looks very happy now! Did you know what to expect before he arrived?

You sound like you expect the dog to be perfect, no dog will be and will take lots of training and care to get it to where you want it. This is true for a puppy and even a rescued dog that came from a decent background.

I have a rescue golden retriever, but my mum got a rescue mongrel from a charity rescuing dogs from Eastern Europe and she’s great. Very shy and nervous but great now. Definitely not a con.
Not at all, I just consider the dozen or so dogs I’ve given serious consideration to so far to be too high risk for a family environment. I fully expect a period of adjustment with appropriate training. I’ve had dogs before and my wife had a couple of rescue dogs back in the US, so have some idea of what to expect, but do accept that my expectations may be somewhat out of kilter with the reality of it as it is now in the UK.
 
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I think you may be right that adoption isn’t right for me as the risk is too high. But I do wonder who it is right for? Are there people out there who give a home to these dogs which come with significant problems? Or do all of the good dogs get snapped up befor being offered to the wider public?

Why not both? The first part of your question is much harder to do but that links in to your third point ("the process to even be considered is more personally invasive than some job interviews").
 
The contrast in those pictures speaks volumes. Koda looks very happy now! Did you know what to expect before he arrived?


Not at all, I just consider the dozen or so dogs I’ve given serious consideration to so far to be too high risk for a family environment. I fully expect a period of adjustment with appropriate training. I’ve had dogs before and my wife had a couple of rescue dogs back in the US, so have some idea of what to expect, but do accept that my expectations may be somewhat out of kilter with the reality of it as it is now in the UK.

Not completely sure what you mean?


It was a pain and very stressful getting him over. As while they were travelling the UK blocked all dogs coming from Ukraine (can't remember why) luckily he and the rest were from Bosnia. But they still got stuck. Wasn't even sure if he was going to get through.


We knew we were getting him. He had been living with a family in Bosnia waiting for a home (he'd been there a while as no one wanted him :confused:)
We knew a bit about his personality.

He's been much better than I expected. Never pooed in house. Never destroyed any furniture. (he loves destroying cardboard). He's OK with kids, but a bit apprehensive. But he's great with other dogs. Never bitten or even looked like he was going to be aggressive to us. I trust him completely. We play and he will put his mouth over my hand but never hurt me. Yet he can destroy a toy in minutes.

Maybe we were lucky with him. But he's been so much better than I expected.
 
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Why not both? The first part of your question is much harder to do but that links in to your third point ("the process to even be considered is more personally invasive than some job interviews").
I suppose the crux of the issue from my perspective is the expectation that what I have to offer as a potential dog owner is compatible with the needs of the dogs up for adoption. It seems that it probably isn’t the case for most rescue dogs, and those which are compatible are understandably in very high demand. It really doesnt help that many of the dogs offered for adoption aren‘t accurately represented, with some of the more concerning issues being played down or hidden.

I made this post to see if anyone else had a similar experience and could offer advice.
 
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But I do wonder who it is right for? Are there people out there who give a home to these dogs which come with significant problems? Or do all of the good dogs get snapped up befor being offered to the wider public?

It was right for us. In fact, I was insistent that all our dogs were rescues. And yes, there are people who gove homes to even some seriously damaged and broken dogs, even if they don't ever recover.
It's not so much that the 'good' dogs get snapped up in advance, but that there are plenty of people who've already passed all the checks and are ready to adopt NOW... like, right now, the very instant a dog is listed.


Firstly, the 'safe around young kids' part is going to be a major hurdle - Most rescue centres won't home a dog with children under 10, or often 12, unless it has a known history of being good around them, ie has come from a young family already. That's just a safety and common sense thing - Young kids also require a lot of attention, to the point where the rescue dog may not be getting the attention it needs, which is another reason why many places have age restrictions on the younger family members.
Behavioural issues are tricky, as rescue centres are stressfull and distressing places for dogs to be in. They won't behave as they would when secure in the comfort of a place they consider to be their own home.
Health issues depend on the problem and how much time, money and effort you're prepared to put in.

Remember, there are many reasons why a dog may end up in these places, but they call it a rescue centre for good reason.

Secondly, if the interview process and home inspection seem very invasive, that's a good thing - Take a wander through the 'Does something need to be done about dogs' thread and read the cases where dogs have killed people. An overwhelming number of those deaths occurred due to considerable negligence by the dog owners, and often it's a case of those utter ******* ********* leaving the dog unsupervised in a room with a toddler or sleeping newborn!! In many cases where dogs have attacked, the conditions in which those dogs have been kept would horrify you.
The people checking you out want to make damn sure you're not another **** who's just going to mistreat your dog, give up on them after a couple of months, or do something stupid that results in people getting hurt and the dog being destroyed.

Thirdly, adopting a dog is a serious commitment and requires a LOT of work, not only with training but with your time, your company, your attention and your love. Many of these dogs have suffered trauma and will have trust issues, and some may never get over what's happened to them... but by adopting them you still commit to doing your absolute best for them and providing a good loving home no matter what.

Our Border Collie was a failed sheepdog, who had been beaten with sticks. She was shy, very scared and very clingy, but turned all that around once she was in a proper home with people who looked after her.
Our Welsh Collie had been abandoned and was found living off a rubbish dump in Ireland, so possibly an ex-***** dog. He was fiercely independent, but with careful handling turned out to be the most amazingly social dog, with a very kind, gentle soul.
Our Labrador was abandoned because her previous owners fell pregnant and didn't want to risk a dog around their impending kid. Turns out she was 100% pure love and perfect for anyone with children. She was also epileptic, but that was resolved with a single tablet twice a day.

We couldn't have done any of this with our dogs if we'd had young kids running around.

Fourthly, a lot of which dogs you'll find depends on the rescue centre. High profile places like Battersea and the RSPCA do end up with many of the serious-problem dogs. You may have more luck at the smaller independent centres, or finding a rescue that specialises in a certain breed.
As for inaccurate representation, the dogs will have been at the rescue centre for a couple of days or so - There's only so much the staff can tell from that short time, remembering that the dogs are coming in fresh from wherever they've been rescued, are in a strange and scary place, are likely recovering from any treatment they may have needed, and in general will just not be themselves at that point.
And yes, rescue dogs are in high demand. Each time we adopted I had to check their listings every week for months before we found the one for us. Our most local ones generally turn over about 20-30 dogs per week. You can even log in on the very day they get their new ones in, and find many of them have already been reserved by other people. They are taken up that fast!

So yeah, remember that rescue dogs aren't just in centres because they fell behind in their rent or something. Most have been through some serious **** and need not just good homes, but good people to help them as they try to recover.
Do consider whether you really are the right sort of person in the right sort of situation to truly meet the needs of a rescue dog, whatever those needs might be.
Do also look around at other centres and don't be afraid to look far afield. My parents once went all the way to the Severn Bridge to find the right dog.
 
I don't agree with adopting dogs from other countries, I think we have have enough dogs in this country that need our help, with out dealing with other countries problems
 
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