Adopting a dog

I don't agree with adopting dogs from other countries, I think we have have enough dogs in this country that need our help, with out dealing with other countries problems
Its a matter of scale.

There are around 100k homeless dogs in the UK, almost all of which have been abandoned by their original familes for one reason or another because we don't have wild dogs roaming the country.

India has 62 MILLION homeless dogs.

My Mums dog was a street rescue from Crete. His whole litter had been adandoned as puppies on the street as his mother was a street dog. He and his siblings were all rescued at just a few weeks old and rehomed in the UK. International rehoming is a not-for-profit too, FYI.

You will never find a wild litter of puppies abandoned in the UK needing a rehome.
 
  • There are a lot of street dogs being shipped over from Romania and Macedonia with a fairly steep adoption fee, ~£500. With so many dogs in UK rescues (allegedly), I don’t understand this. It seems like an organised racket to me.


A colleague at work did this, but with a dog from Egypt. He seemed to have a monthly cycle of getting better, lash out at a stranger and reset back to day 1 in training. He asked the dog centre for more advice and they wanted the dog back. He asked about the dog a week later and they put him down... I'd ban these places from existing.
 
A colleague at work did this, but with a dog from Egypt. He seemed to have a monthly cycle of getting better, lash out at a stranger and reset back to day 1 in training. He asked the dog centre for more advice and they wanted the dog back. He asked about the dog a week later and they put him down... I'd ban these places from existing.

As sad as this is, some dogs really aren't suitable for rehoming - especially one that attacks / lashes out at people frequently despite training (And once a month is VERY frequent).

I don't think international rehoming centres are any different to the national chains to be honest.
 
We would like to get a dog. Nothing fancy, just a small-medium sized dog with a good nature, safe around kids and other dogs, and a decent bill of health. I always thought, possibly naively, that there are thousands of decent dogs out there looking for a home. However having been on the search for a few months, my experience thus far is that there are a lot of problematic dogs looking for homes and very few dogs suitable for a family with young children.

Pertinent observations:
  • There are a lot of street dogs being shipped over from Romania and Macedonia with a fairly steep adoption fee, ~£500. With so many dogs in UK rescues (allegedly), I don’t understand this. It seems like an organised racket to me.
  • UK based dogs seem to fall into one of two categories. Firstly, dogs that have been abandoned by chav owners. Staffies and Lurchers with the expected behavioural traits. Secondly, the more normal dogs seem to almost always have significant underlying health or behavioural problems.
  • The handful of decent dogs I have tried to adopt, the process to even be considered is more personally invasive than some job interviews. Having met all of the criteria, I’ve jumped through many hoops only to be headed off by someone else, or to be ghosted.

So as much as I want to do the supposedly right thing and adopt a homeless dog, I’m beginning to realise it may be easier, cheaper, and safer to just buy a puppy from a reputable breeder. Has anyone else had a similar experience or am I doing something wrong?

My brother and sister in law went through the process about a year ago, after hearing about how complex it was and having to meet certain criteria I'm almost confident it would have been a lot easier to adopt a child.

As you say it's madness they've been saying for years that we have dog shelters full to the brim. But if they make the adoption process so difficult, then people will stop bothering. It should almost literally be a case of "Can you provide this dog a safe and loving home?" - if yes then dog is yours (assuming obviously you've not been banned from having dogs etc).
 
We tried to adopt when we wanted a 2nd dog. With children and an existing dog they made it very difficult. So we ended up buying a mix breed puppy.
 
My brother and sister in law went through the process about a year ago, after hearing about how complex it was and having to meet certain criteria I'm almost confident it would have been a lot easier to adopt a child.

As you say it's madness they've been saying for years that we have dog shelters full to the brim. But if they make the adoption process so difficult, then people will stop bothering. It should almost literally be a case of "Can you provide this dog a safe and loving home?" - if yes then dog is yours (assuming obviously you've not been banned from having dogs etc).
Dog shelters are "full to the brim" because we don't actually have many dog shelters.

and no, it is categorically not easier to adopt a child than it is a dog. That is a claim made by those who try to justify buying puppies from breeding farms. Anyone who has ever been involved in the adoption of a child would laugh at such claims.
 
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Its a matter of scale.

There are around 100k homeless dogs in the UK, almost all of which have been abandoned by their original familes for one reason or another because we don't have wild dogs roaming the country.

India has 62 MILLION homeless dogs.

My Mums dog was a street rescue from Crete. His whole litter had been adandoned as puppies on the street as his mother was a street dog. He and his siblings were all rescued at just a few weeks old and rehomed in the UK. International rehoming is a not-for-profit too, FYI.

You will never find a wild litter of puppies abandoned in the UK needing a rehome.

I think being a dog loving nation, we do have lots of people who do go and adopt, or even leave large sums of money in wills etc to the charities so they can afford not to have a single wild dog.
 
With the loss of one of our two ageing cockers, we made the decision a while later to adopt from a semi local charity shelter.
We had a video home visit. Gave our details, wasn't overly invasive imo. We picked up Chance about a week later, a 1-2 year old cocker who had been abused and only used for mating purposes, he'd never had a name or been trained in any way. The recommendation was that he was to go to a home with slightly older kids and would be joining another existing dog in the home.
His toilet training went pretty well. Still the odd accident but overall great, he's a very shy lad except with our youngest girl who he lets hold him. He is coming round more and more though and is slowly showing us his great little personality.
My wife being the kind soul she is, stayed on their social media pages and we saw a second cocker, Amber, again from a puppy farm used as a puppy maker. We picked her up a few weeks later when we went up to see another dog but wasn't ready for rehoming yet.
Amber (approx 3-4 who'd only been rescued 2 days before) came straight over to me out of quite a few people and sat with her chin on my knee, she had marks on her face from either fighting or cage distress and had also just been spayed. She was emaciated and I could see every rib, her pelvis/backbone were protruding to the point I wasn't sure she'd make it. We got her home and couldn't believe how docile she was towards the whole family, really easy going but had health problems with profuse bleeding and her spay wound not healing shut also, you could see an inch hole straight into her stomach area that the stitches just weren't holding closed.
After several visits to the vet to get everything repaired, she has taken her place in the home really well, loves her scratches and getting up on the sofa for a nap beside us.
So that was us up to three doggos and life was still going on nicely. My wife decided a fourth and final dog would be awesome and said there was another youngish cocker, Charlie, that needed a home too, me being the sucker for dogs that I am, relented after a few days and we went up to collect him. He doesn't have much history other than coming from a similar puppy farm to Amber, the vet said he was between 1 and 2 years old but seems much younger ie still learning coordination and is as hyper a dog at times as I've ever seen but is the most loving little lad too, always happy to see you, wants to run around but get a cuddle too, we've had him around 2 weeks now and had no health complaints whatsoever. He has struck up a real affinity with Amber, we semi joke that he could be one of her pups given how close they were rescued to eachother geographically.
Through all this, Ted our original cocker has taken most of it in his usual grumpy stride, a few growls but also likes to go out and trot round the back garden with them, not getting too close but will partake in all the usual sniffing eachother etc. He is acting a little younger these days and the limp he had seems to be secondary these days.
The one major help in most of this was getting advice from the rehoming and vets, we had 5 weeks free insurance on each dog from the rescue centre but have signed each up to a policy now. Food wise we use the Pets at Home Ava and Ava Senior for Ted, mix in some roast chicken and shredded carrot and all three new dogs have almost gotten to their ideal weights already, Amber and Charlie were miles off that when we got them and the vets are really happy how well their weights have improved in a relatively short time.
Anyway (edit and probably a tl;dr having just seem that wall of words), what I'm getting at is that these dogs shouldn't be written off so fast, some health problems aren't permanent, they can be such a great addition to a family too and help teach responsibility to children too, even the slightly older lazy teens.

2nd edit, some typos and pics added.

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Charlie left and Amber right, this was taken this week, waiting on dinner.
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Amber and Charlie, this is a regular thing. Regardless of where or what chair, they'll both lay together.
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This was Amber when we collected her, my heart was broken when I saw her sides and back with loose skin and ribs showing, I had to get her home to give her a better life.

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This is Chance, he's a little odd at times but very loving.
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Ted is the old man of the house, approaching 11 this year. Very hard to pull the wool over his eyes, a very intelligent fella and very protective of my wife and always has been.
 
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I don't agree with adopting dogs from other countries, I think we have have enough dogs in this country that need our help, with out dealing with other countries problems

It shouldn't really matter where the dog comes from. If you are giving a dog a home that would otherwise he put down that's a good thing.


Besides, if UK shelters weren't so ridiculous in their requirements me people would. It's far more expensive to adopt from abroad
 
Whats wrong with the lurchers? There are lots round me, and whippets/greyhounds and they are great dogs. Totally not chavvy at all and they aren’t known for aggression. They are great flat dogs as they don’t take much walking, are docile and friendly.

However if you think £500 is steep for a vaccinated, neutered rescue, you’re in for a shock if you’re going down the puppy route. Probably be 4x that at the end of the process.

They can be really loving dogs and not aggressive. Well the 1 downside of a Greyhound or Lurcher is they can run down and catch cats. Most dogs will try but fail where as these dogs are quick enough. Appropriate precautions should be taken
 
It shouldn't really matter where the dog comes from. If you are giving a dog a home that would otherwise he put down that's a good thing.


Besides, if UK shelters weren't so ridiculous in their requirements me people would. It's far more expensive to adopt from abroad
i agree with this, a dog that needs something is a dog in need irrespective of borders. this might make me sound cringe but i have donated multiple 1000s to dog charities in the far east where dogs really do get a rough ride. i'm not rich, i just had a few quid extra to spare and i love dogs (love all animals but dogs are my favourite). i don't ignore uk charities, i donate monthly to the dogs trust, rspca, and the donkey sanctuary. feels good tbh :)
 
and our next dog will be from a rescue center, too many good dogs need homes imo and i don't like the puppy farming business as any clown can buy a dog. i think dog adoption being rigourous is a good thing.
 
Secondly, if the interview process and home inspection seem very invasive, that's a good thing - Take a wander through the 'Does something need to be done about dogs' thread and read the cases where dogs have killed people. An overwhelming number of those deaths occurred due to considerable negligence by the dog owners, and often it's a case of those utter ******* ********* leaving the dog unsupervised in a room with a toddler or sleeping newborn!! In many cases where dogs have attacked, the conditions in which those dogs have been kept would horrify you.
The people checking you out want to make damn sure you're not another **** who's just going to mistreat your dog, give up on them after a couple of months, or do something stupid that results in people getting hurt and the dog being destroyed.

While true they do go OTT with their requirments. I saw many rescue dogs that stated 'must be housed in a rural environment setting'. That just isn't practical for most people and the dog they are describing would be more than happy being taken to some playing fields and having balls thrown for it to give it a good run around. Unless I'm missing something they must be removing about 95% of people there.

Also the not housing any dog with children under 12 can be very OTT and draconian too. If that was the case when I was a child I wouldn't have a dog growing up.
 
We would like to get a dog. Nothing fancy, just a small-medium sized dog with a good nature, safe around kids and other dogs, and a decent bill of health. I always thought, possibly naively, that there are thousands of decent dogs out there looking for a home. However having been on the search for a few months, my experience thus far is that there are a lot of problematic dogs looking for homes and very few dogs suitable for a family with young children.

Pertinent observations:
  • There are a lot of street dogs being shipped over from Romania and Macedonia with a fairly steep adoption fee, ~£500. With so many dogs in UK rescues (allegedly), I don’t understand this. It seems like an organised racket to me.
  • UK based dogs seem to fall into one of two categories. Firstly, dogs that have been abandoned by chav owners. Staffies and Lurchers with the expected behavioural traits. Secondly, the more normal dogs seem to almost always have significant underlying health or behavioural problems.
  • The handful of decent dogs I have tried to adopt, the process to even be considered is more personally invasive than some job interviews. Having met all of the criteria, I’ve jumped through many hoops only to be headed off by someone else, or to be ghosted.

So as much as I want to do the supposedly right thing and adopt a homeless dog, I’m beginning to realise it may be easier, cheaper, and safer to just buy a puppy from a reputable breeder. Has anyone else had a similar experience or am I doing something wrong?

Hello chap - hope all is well with you.

So - experience that follows is based on us previously having a rescue that we sadly had to return to the shelter, and then us having two dogs from puppies.

Firstly - the prices now that puppies are commanding is *outrageous*. COVID seems to have made people go slightly potty with what they'll pay for dogs that honestly are in shocking condition. I guess FOMO or whatever people call it.

We did get a dog from a shelter. Getting a young ish dog that will be good with children (and we wanted from newborn age as it was before we had the kids) is nearly impossible. We totally lucked on and were at the right place/right time. The rescue we got was a 6 month old cross (Daschund x terrier IIRC). Unfortunately, what we hadn't been told is, it had been given up as it was showing aggressive dominant behaviours as it simply hadn't been trained. He would jump on the back of the sofa and then try to bite you if you got near. We did try doing training with him with the shelter approved trainer (huge mistake, on reflection she was awful) but it was unrecoverable.

What followed, was us taking nearly 6 months to work out which breed we wanted - that met our lifestyle wants and desires. We settled on a cockapoo. We then spent a year looking at breeders up and down the country. When we found the breeder we were happy with - which was 200 miles away. It was shocking how few people would show you health resting of parents (EG PRA Clear for the poodle dads, Hip scores for the working cocker mums). We paid our deposit and went on a waiting list. It took about 9 months to get our first dog with them. Back then, it was £800. Sadly our breeder has stopped doing it, but looking around it's now closer to £2k for a decent puppy.

That's a huge summary of a massive process. What I would say, some dogs have totally unfair stereotypes. EG, Staffies and Dobermans are *superb* family dogs.

In your circumstances, I'd start looking into a breeder. As a rough measure - anyone who has immediately available dogs is normally worth avoiding.
 
Adopting a dog you have to be prepared to put in the effort to address issues they have or may not have I've been extremely lucky with 2 dogs that I got sure one chewed up the sofa but your skipping the puppy phase so expect some things to happen

There Animals after all but it's worth it
 
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Love it. Koda looks amazing and is lucky to have an owner like you <3

Think it goes both ways.
How a dog that came from what he did is so good seems too good to be true.

Have wondered if he was somebodies pet and got turfed out or Something.

He's a stubborn boy. He's never off the lead. Because if he doesn't want to come back... He will not come back. (hence the airtag)

But his temperament is just amazing.


Wouldn't be same getting one from a puppy. My chickens are rescues too.
 
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You can get some very good pedigree, even show dogs as rescues. my current Giant Schnauzer came from Russia when his owner divorced and came to the UK. Lived in an amazing palatial home over in Russia. Was shown with very good results twice at Crufts. Then the owner had to move to a company property that wouldn't allow pets. I "rescued" him from a top breeder. All sounds too good to be true, gotta be a catch?

Well yes, of course there was. The Russians breed a lot of Giant Schnauzers as police and military dogs, chosen for their strong drive and confidence. Most GS's from Russia are from these lines. They can be VERY headstrong, very guarding and they're usually BIG.

Would he be OK with kids? Yes, with a rescue family with kids introduced sensibly, probably absolutely fine. Until the neighbour's kids come round and start a play fight. I wouldn't want to see what might occur then, you can hardly tell a dog they're only play fighting, can you? My pal did something rash in front of this dog once. he insists it's kennelled when he's here now ;) He's my go to dog if there's an unusual disturbance in the middle of the night. I know he's not going to bugger off if i need him by my side. Other caveat was I had to agree for his frozen semen to be used for ongoing breeding, in fact a DNA test kit is in the post to me as I type.

My guidance, and I have had dozens of dogs, would be puppies only with very young kids, and even then only ones that are small, none guarding, low prey drive breeds. Older kids, say over 10, a careful, very careful choice of a rescue would probably be OK, if supervised constantly at first by an experienced previous dog owner. Even a fisrt time dog owner can usually tell if a puppy has very undesirable traits before it's big enough to do a child any real damage. With a rescue it's ALWAYS a gamble unless rehoming a dog you know well, from a known owner.
 
While true they do go OTT with their requirments. I saw many rescue dogs that stated 'must be housed in a rural environment setting'. That just isn't practical for most people and the dog they are describing would be more than happy being taken to some playing fields and having balls thrown for it to give it a good run around. Unless I'm missing something they must be removing about 95% of people there.

Also the not housing any dog with children under 12 can be very OTT and draconian too. If that was the case when I was a child I wouldn't have a dog growing up.
It depends on the centre and the dog breed. I've only seen mention of rural setting from places that specialise in ex-working dogs, although most will specify access to wide open places where the dog can get plenty of exercise - This is to avoid shut-ins keeping dogs like GSDs and Collies that need to get out every day.
Here's a good example of why they go in heavy with their requirements - If you're taking your dog off lead in a playing field, you'd better make damn sure it has ******* perfect recall, as many dog attacks have happened in just such a scenario.

Children under 10 or 12 are usually not big enough to physically handle the average dog, and have not yet developed the sort of mentality to recognise and respond properly to the dog's behavioural indicators.
I did specify this applies to most dogs without a known history of being good around kids (they have similar rules for being around other animals, too, incidentally), but the alternative is the dog kicking off on what it sees as threatening behaviour from an excitable child and ripping that kid's face off.
We had a Samoyed when I was a kid, and one early morning I thought I'd be helpful by taking him out for a walk before everyone else got up - It was great until he saw a cat and bolted after it, at which point I was yanked to the floor and dragged along the pavement for quite a distance. I was 11.

It may seem draconian to you, but if something goes wrong the centre does get dragged into that mess and even if they're cleared of any failings, their reputation will still suffer. Therefore they take some quite reasonable steps to reduce the likelihood of incidents as best they can.
 
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