ADSL BT Master socket & router re-locate.

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Where I currently live, the BT master socket is in the bedroom adjacent to mine at the far end of the room on a dot/dab plaster wall.

There is an extension cable that goes to 1 other bedroom then from there to the downstairs lounge where it terminates in a euro module in the wall for a single standard phone connection.

I'd like to have the router at my desk yet having the phone extensions still working in the other bedroom and the lounge.

Am I right in thinking I could install a filtered faceplate to the master socket. (NTE5)

The extension cabling would be punched down in sockets 2,3&5 on the back of the filtered faceplate to carry normal telephone service to the two rooms?

Then, using cat5e solid core, I could punch down the wires into the A&B terminals on the back of the faceplate to carry the ADSL signal under the floorboards or up and over in the attic into an RJ45 euro terminal in my room? Into which I would connect the router to pickup the ADSL/VDSL signal?
 
Yes. If you fit a filtered faceplate you'll have two sets of terminals to connect cables to. Filtered for voice and unfiltered for broadband.

For the voice there are only two wires required (2 & 5). Connecting the ring wire would probably do no harm in this situation, but it'll do no good either so leave it disconnected.
 
Cheers bremen, I just need to figure out how to route the cable next, it'll be a run of < 10m from the faceplate/master socket to the router, will probably just use Cat5e solid core and route it along the skirting board/trunking and through the walls between the rooms.
 
If you're routing the cable as described I'd seriously consider using a length of two pair CW1308 rather than Cat5e. I'd be a much thinner cable and the end result should be virtually identical.
 
bremen1874 said:
If you're routing the cable as described I'd seriously consider using a length of two pair CW1308 rather than Cat5e. I'd be a much thinner cable and the end result should be virtually identical.
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Defo this. If you have access to the loft you could always route the cable behind the plaster into the loft and then down again using fish tape or rods, would look neater.
 
Cheers guys, some awesome advice!

So, just so I'm clear in my head of what I want to achieve, is the following correct?

  • Master socket in another room with extension wired to the faceplate.
  • Replace current faceplate and transfer 2 wires across to the new filtered faceplate.
  • This now offers a filtered phone connection to the extensions so I can get rid of the microfilters for the DECT phones.
  • I punch down the blue - blue/white cables of the CW1308 into the A&B terminal on the rear of the filtered faceplate.
  • I run this cable the 7-8m or so to the location the router needs to be and I terminate it on RJ-11.
  • This cable now provides the ADSL signal to the router, and the phones are micro filter less as it is already filtered by the faceplate.

Does this sound like the correct way of thinking? I don't need a phone connection along side the router, just need it for the broadband connection.

And finally, I already have a staple gun for running the cable, but it supports 6mm flat staples, will I damage the cable by stapling it with flat staples? Should I be looking for 10mm rounded staples to stop it from damaging it?

Cheers again!
 
That all sounds about right.

I'm pretty sure you will want rounded staples. You need to avoid crushing the cable if you can.

I'd get everything temporarily terminated and tested before going to the trouble of routing the cable.
 
Cheers Bremen! Yeah I'll run the cable, terminate it to the RJ11 and into the faceplate with a lot of spare stored in a cavity so if/when I mess something I can cut the ends off and re-terminate and as you say, once it's all working I can staple.

I might even look into some thin trunking as well, but it might not look as nice.
 
Don't leave a lot of spare cable in the connection. You want to keep it as short as possible to keep any loss in sync to a minimum.

For trunking the very small D-Line trunking is worth a look.
 
So have been reading up a bit more, the cable I have is CW1308 4 core 2 pair BT spec cable. As far as I know it is solid core. Can I actually get an RJ11 to crimp onto the end successfully? Or should I buy a backbox with either RJ11 or RJ45 euro module and wire the two wires to the middle pins and then get a short patch cable to connect router > RJ11/45 socket?
 
If you own a suitable crimping tool then attaching an RJ11 is a straight forward job.

I'd connect it to a faceplate ad then use a good quality (and short) pre-made RJ11 to RJ11 cable.

Either option will work.
 
I assume I can just simply use an RJ45 socket and wire it to the 2 middle pins? Then convert one of my many patch cables from RJ45/RJ45 ro RJ11/RJ45?

Then I would have an RJ45 faceplate > RJ45 connector > RJ11 connector > Router.

So I would simply fit the blue/blue-white to the IDC terminals 4 and 5 (the two centre pins) to carry the ADSL signal.
 
You can use a RJ45 socket.

Whether you choose a RJ45 or a RJ11 socket only the centre pair of pins needs connecting. By convention it would be the blue blue/white pair.

Unless you feel that you're going to have a use for a crimp tool in the future I'd use a pre-made RJ11-to-RJ11 cable. The one that was supplied with the router should be fine. An RJ11 will fit into a RJ45 socket so there's no problem.

You could modify an Ethernet cable as you describe, but getting a RJ11 onto Cat5e is a bit tricky. The entry hole for the cable won't really be big enough, and you need to mess around cutting pairs back.
 
Cheers for all your help Bremen!

I've managed to get the extension sorted today. Just transfered the extension wiring to the new filtered faceplate, hardwired the Blue - Blue/White cable to A/B on the faceplate and for the moment just terminated to RJ11.

I have a surface mount box with an RJ45 single faceplate on the way so I can terminate it to that and have a shorter RJ11-RJ45 cable for the DSL signal to the router.

But cheers again! All working fine.
 
Right all done! Terminated the CW1308 cable into an RJ45 socket and used a surface backbox to house it all.

Had to change routers sadly, my Billion was a vertical mount and was too tall. So grabbed a Netgear router (not the best I know).

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