Advice for booking wedding photographer

I think you are arguing semantics.
When i say he didn't photograph the reception I mean he didn't do any of the following:
  1. Arrival, champagne opening
  2. Guests interacting
  3. Speeches
  4. Any dancing with the band
  5. The reception hall, set tables, decor, flowers, details of the knife, food/banquet spread and all the standard fair etc.

That may be standard for you and your clique to charge extra for but plenty of wedding photographers will include that in their wedding. I've seen plenty of photos from the likes of Raymond of people dancing etc.

I'm not sure I get it. Did the photographer price his package on coverage of specific content rather than just covering what he see's unfold during the day while he was there?

Anyway, this is all entirely off topic. The point is plenty of good wedding photographers will give RAW or corrected Jpegs to clients.
You seem to make it out as if it is never done.

From what I can tell, there are very few exceptional photographers that will hand over their RAW files.

Most didn't say either way and declined because I requested them to travel to Germany (under my expense) but I know at least one said yes.

If someone has reasons to decline a booking, they will normally pick one rather that write a shopping list of why they won't book you. Germany is the obvious one. Also there are probably more photographers willing to go to Germany than hand over RAW files. There ARE plenty of destination photographers around.

Thus the idea of withholding RAW files has no business value IMO.
My personal reasons is it has more to do with pride in my work and not wanting it viewed in an unfinished state. I would literally rather lose money and not sell the RAW's.
 
I'm only just starting out (hobby) but I can't imagine leaving myself in a position of trust on someone's wedding day. What if you don't perform (have a really bad day)? Big pressure :)

I was the photographer at the inlaws wedding. No pressure they just wanted some standard shots. Groups etc. They really werent fussed.

I was sweating buckets. I had to change between the ceremony and reception.

Never again. It was bad enough doing a favour for free. Pay me money and the stakes rise.

Nope I'll be leaving it to the other guys.
 
Still going on about this?

I'm not sure I get it. Did the photographer price his package on coverage of specific content rather than just covering what he see's unfold during the day while he was there?

The pricing was reflective of the fact he wouldn't shoot the reception apart form cake cutting and first dance since to do so he would require a second shooter and he was under the explicit understanding that I would be solely in charge of the reception shots.




If someone has reasons to decline a booking, they will normally pick one rather that write a shopping list of why they won't book you. Germany is the obvious one.
Exactly, which is why most of the quotes I received didn't mention anything about RAWs, and the quote I did get said it would be no issue.

Also there are probably more photographers willing to go to Germany than hand over RAW files. There ARE plenty of destination photographers around.
That is a completely baseless conjecture. I will make my own and state the opposite is true. From my anecdotal data set I know more wedding togs willing to give RAWs than travel to a foreign country. The latter take a few seconds of effort, the former requires a lot of commitment and time, and for a weekend warrior taking time off work. We have already seen in this thread several people getting RAW files without any difficulty.

My personal reasons is it has more to do with pride in my work and not wanting it viewed in an unfinished state. I would literally rather lose money and not sell the RAW's.
That is fine, other professionals would rather have the business because that is what is putting food on their table and paying the mortgage. Others just simply don't care because they have no control over what people do with their photos whether it is a RAW of JPEG.



There was a time when wedding togs would charge the clients for prints and wouldn't make the digital files available free of charge. but you would have to pay a lot extra for a CD of the photos so you could print yourself. Eventually wedding togs joined the 21st century and include full access to digital files included in the package price. Providing RAW files is really no different and a natural progression. RAW files aren't "digital negatives". Where do you draw the line, 16bit TIFFs OK? Is an sRAW file that already has a tone curve and WB applied along with compression? What about full res JPEGS that are exposure and WB corrected with the default Adobe portrait tone curve?

Every photographer is free to make their own decisions regarding RAW files. I know many are ardently against it, some really don't mind, and I am perfectly happy to give RAW files to paying clients for no extra charge.
 
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Your paying for a skilled person to do there job well and their work doesn't end when you go home.
Like anything, you decide how much you want to pay and look for somebody in your budget, or you decide if your willing to pay for the photographer that you want.

I've been to two weddings that used the same guy and he was nice enough but his photos had nothing about them, i'd even say that some of the photos I took in the evening were better (I never took one while it was doing his job) but he was a budget guy and both of the wedding subjects liked the photo albums he created, maybe I just don't like his style!

Somebody skilled sees things and opportunities your average photographer doesn't and can lift them into a picture that stuns. If that's what you want then you have to pay. Its not just about the equipment, its a skillset of seeing a picture and being able to capture it ether right at that moment or using software to bring out the best in that picture.

My point wasn't about skill. DP originally stated that the photographer in question didn't even shoot the reception and didnt edit the photos - that in my opinion is a half assed job no matter the money.
 
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My point wasn't about skill. DP originally stated that the photographer in question didn't even shoot the reception and didnt edit the photos - that in my opinion is a half assed job no matter the money.

No it's not, then reception could have been shot for extra money and a 2nd shooter. The was no need because I was available to capture the reception. Unprocessed photos was a specific request to reduce costs and give increased flexibility into my brother in laws hands. Profesionals always strive to accommodate clients.
 
DP you changed your story, hence the confusion.
Also I'm still not sure why the photographer would charge more to photograph guests interacting, reception venue, speeches, cake cutting, first dance if he is there anyway. Without knowing the running order, I can't see anything here that would require a second shooter either.

The only 'need' for you that I can see is to capture some drunken dancing when the official photographer left at 8.
 
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DP you changed your story, hence the confusion.
Also I'm still not sure why the photographer would charge more to photograph guests interacting, reception venue, speeches, cake cutting, first dance if he is there anyway. Without knowing the running order, I can't see anything here that would require a second shooter either.

The only 'need' for you that I can see is to capture some drunken dancing when the official photographer left at 8.

:rolleyes:

Are you just trolling me or do you just plain not understand what a basic wedding package includes?

In your very own recently posted Foggy wedding thread everything from this photo
http://www.rhysphotograph.me/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Coventry_Wedding_Photography_084.jpg
downwards was pretty much skipped by the wedding photographer in question in exchange for a reduced fee, by request. Why is that concept so hard to grasp?
He doesn't charge more for shooting this stuff, he charged less for not shooting it.

For reference that includes:
  • Photos of the dinning hall
  • Close up details of the tables and decor
  • speeches
  • Photos of the guests at the reception
  • B&G at the reception
  • Children dancing and playing
  • B&G dancing beyond first dance
  • Guests dancing
  • B&G outside


The reason a second shooter would be required was because for 2 hours he was photograph my sister at a more romantic venue in the countryside because they wanted an extended private photo shoot. That would be 2 hours of the reception missed.

I'm not arguing with you any more on this, you just don't understand and are either purposely trying to antagonize me or are just plain stupid.
 
Seems like an unusual and needlessly complicated setup and certainly isn't typical from my experience. I'm not sure how much discount he gave not to photograph the reception while he was there, but surely it's better to have the photographer shoot the whole shebang for consistency, rather than use two different photographers with differing styles.
 
Seems like an unusual and needlessly complicated setup and certainly isn't typical from my experience. I'm not sure how much discount he gave not to photograph the reception while he was there, but surely it's better to have the photographer shoot the whole shebang for consistency, rather than use two different photographers with differing styles.

I don't think it is complicated at all. Instead of shooting a standard 8 hours that might include say a 30 minute session with the B&G he shot something like 6 hours and spent the best part of 2 hours with an extended B&G shoot.

Of course it isn't standard, it was done by special request.They prioritized an extended private photo shoot over the reception. They also wanted a great photographer but had just purchased a house so had a budget to meet. The professional tog in question was willing to reduce the hours and gave another discount for not needing to edit the photos in detail. I have no idea what that kind of discount amounted to, perhaps relatively little.
None of that is standard, that was all achieved by asking a great wedding photographer what he could do to help them.

I don't think the fact of having 2 photographers is a big issue, it is commonly done at weddings. since my brother in law processed all Photoshop he could keep the editing consistent. And they are 2 different events really a formal church wedding with extended photo shoot, then a reception where I used a photo journalistic approach.
Anyway, the only thing that matters is my sister and brother in law were both extremely happy with both sets of photos, the pro tog enjoyed himself and was very accommodating in providing RAWs and reduced coverage.

I don't get why you are so fascinated by my sister's wedding! Are you going to probe DBT85 and Genoma in as much personal details who also got RAW files from their wedding togs?
 
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