Advice needed on a kitten

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Hi all,

I have a little situation involving a kitten that we've had now for around 2 months.
But first the back story.

A little over two months ago, my girlfriend's cousin rang her asking if we'd be interested in a kitten, both of us love animals and currently have two dogs and a cat, after talking about it we decided yes.

The kitten was found outside her cousins home, it was only around 6 weeks old and had been attacked by a dog, looked very hungry and was in quite a state.

After taking it in, the cousin and her partner found out that it belonged to a woman across the road, now apparently this woman isn't a responsible owner and has had a quite a few problems in the past with her pets (this is what we've been told by her cousin at least and later confirmed by the police).

So when the woman came around a week later, she's was told by the cousin and partner that they found the kitten, but it was later put down due to it's injuries. ( I know, a silly thing to say but i can at least understand why they said it trying to protect the kitten)

In the two months since we've had the kitten, we've had all it's injections taking care of, an ID chip put in, he's now healthy, happy and gets on great with our other pets, my girlfriend is besotted by him as he's a spitting image of her cat she had as a child.

Last night we had a message off her cousin telling us that the police and RSPCA had been to her house asking about the cat, some how the woman had found out it was alive. she went on to fill us in on the details with the woman owner etc as up until this point, all we knew is that they found a stray kitten that had been attacked, we were told that both the police and RSPCA would arrive to inspect our home, to make sure it's suitable.

Later that night the police turned up at my door with no RSPCA (One police officer and two PCSO's) telling us that they've been to this ladies home, and even though it's in a state (their words not mine) she must have her cat back.

I told them no chance, we have a lovely, clean home where this kitten is more than happy, we've spent money on making sure it's well looked after and this women has no evidence that "indi" is indeed her cat, he has a chip in him that puts us, as the rightful owners.

It confused me as ( i may be wrong here) neither me or my partner have committed a crime as far as i know, making this a civil matter and something the police shouldn't even be involved in?

they tried telling me that if we don't give the cat back, they would come and collect it, at which point i decided enough was enough and showed them out.

I know it's a little long winded guys but i just wanted to give you all the info i could.

My question is, where do me and my partner stand in regards to keeping this kitten?
Am i right in saying no crime has been committed and there for it's a civil matter?

Really don't want to see this kitten go back to a bad home, it would break my girlfriends heart.

Any help/advice at all would be really appreciated guys.

Thanks

David
 
Animals are classed as property under the law so keeping the kitten could technically constitute theft.

However considering the circumstances I would probably move the kitten out of the house to somewhere safe i.e. with a relative and open a dialogue with the police or RSPCA and seek advice from the Citizens Advice Bureau.
 
Animals are classed as property under the law so keeping the kitten could technically constitute theft.

However considering the circumstances I would probably move the kitten out of the house to somewhere safe i.e. with a relative and open a dialogue with the police or RSPCA and seek advice from the Citizens Advice Bureau.

Thanks for the reply Hummingman,

Forgive me but my issue with that is this woman has no "proof" that this is indeed "her" cat, where as it's chipped with our info as it's owners.

Surely she needs proof that it's her cat, before it can be classed as theft? or am i mistaken?
 
Thanks for the reply Hummingman,

Forgive me but my issue with that is this woman has no "proof" that this is indeed "her" cat, where as it's chipped with our info as it's owners.

Surely she needs proof that it's her cat, before it can be classed as theft? or am i mistaken?

You'dve thought so.
 
Well technically you have stolen her kitten I suppose.

However as you have now chipped the cat then it would be up to her to prove it's her cat. You of course have no way of proving where you got the cat from which won't help.

Also you don't actually know how bad her home is. All your information is based on 2nd hand info. She could be a decent owner who has just had someone steal her pet!

I doubt the police are that interested tbh. You need to decide whether to tell the truth (and probably lose the kitten) or get your story straight and "tough it out" denying all knowledge.
 
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I would have thought some evidence would be needed as well? Otherwise you could just randomly someone had stolen your cat, and as long as it wasn't chipped who's to say otherwise?
 
I think your right. There is no proof that the cat you have is the kitten she lost.

You might be better of posting on the pet forums as a few members deal with this quite a lot.

I hope you get to keep her!
 
Get her to take you to court.

I suppose ultimately if the kitten is the offspring of one of her older cats, and she gets a DNA test done which shows this, then it would prove the kitten is hers. Other than that, I can't see how it would be anything other than her word against yours (and the fact you have the kitten chipped with your details obviously gives you a bit more clout)
 
You have proof of owning the kitten & she doesn't, There is no way she can prove it was her kitten that you rescued.
Tell them to do one & only come back if they have proof that she owned the kitten & that the kitten you have is the one she lost.
 
There's always the option, next time they come round "What cat? It's run off mate"


It's a bit of a grey area there because most property can't up and leave of it's own accord (or at least I haven't felt the need to chain my PC case down).
And with these kind of things, just as with child custody cases, you need to side with the animals best interest.

No doubt the woman found out via the vets that the cat hadn't been put down. What in particular makes this woman an irresponsible pet owner?
 
Thanks guys for the help.

I think your right. There is no proof that the cat you have is the kitten she lost.

You might be better of posting on the pet forums as a few members deal with this quite a lot.

I hope you get to keep her!

Thanks Dogma, i hope so too.

Get her to take you to court.

I suppose ultimately if the kitten is the offspring of one of her older cats, and she gets a DNA test done which shows this, then it would prove the kitten is hers. Other than that, I can't see how it would be anything other than her word against yours (and the fact you have the kitten chipped with your details obviously gives you a bit more clout)

Thanks for the advice Haggisman, In regards to the mother of this kitten, i forgot to mention in my post but the police informed us that she has infact "lost" her and hasn't been seen for a number of weeks.
 
Surely if she lost the kitten & then lost the Mother the RSPCA won't be saying give the kitten back to her.
If it does come down to giving her the kitten back just go buy one that looks like it, She won't notice the difference after all this time & your Missus gets to keep the kitten she fell in love with.
 
There's always the option, next time they come round "What cat? It's run off mate"


It's a bit of a grey area there because most property can't up and leave of it's own accord (or at least I haven't felt the need to chain my PC case down).
And with these kind of things, just as with child custody cases, you need to side with the animals best interest.

No doubt the woman found out via the vets that the cat hadn't been put down. What in particular makes this woman an irresponsible pet owner?

Thanks Pitchfork,

I don't like to speak badly of someone i've never meet, so i've based it on information off the police last night and my partners cousin, "the house is in a terrible state", her dogs are left out all hours and in bad weather, she's currently unemployed and in receipt of benefits making looking after the numerous pets she has difficult i'd imagine.
 
Surely if she lost the kitten & then lost the Mother the RSPCA won't be saying give the kitten back to her.
If it does come down to giving her the kitten back just go buy one that looks like it, She won't notice the difference after all this time & your Missus gets to keep the kitten she fell in love with.

But then the women ends up with another poor kitten that probably wont last long under her "care".

Better to do nothing. Let the woman try to prove the cat is hers. Deny all knowledge and dont co-operate with the police if they try and take it away.
 
Surely if she lost the kitten & then lost the Mother the RSPCA won't be saying give the kitten back to her.
If it does come down to giving her the kitten back just go buy one that looks like it, She won't notice the difference after all this time & your Missus gets to keep the kitten she fell in love with.

The RSPCA aren't the one's asking for the cat back, i was told they'd be in attendance along side the police last night to make sure our home was suitable,
but when i questioned the officers on it, they just told me there was no need for them to attend.

What's bothered me more is the fact that surely this is a civil matter, yet three police officers were made to try and sort this out, when they could have been doing something far more important.
 
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