Advice On >19" Gaming Monitor

Mundu said:
Is there a 940sb monitor orare you talking about the 930?
It was NEC-Mitcubishi Diamond Pro 740SB 17" with Diamondtron M2 tube (much better than Trinitron, in my book) ... sorry if I was not specific. 930sb was the 19" model. Particularly, I was big fan of "SB" (Super Bright) button ;)
 
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fish99 said:
To be fair, I did say CRTs produce deeper blacks only in a dark room, and I do mean pitch black, at night with the lights out. In daylight, or even in the evening with the lights on or dimmed, the glass front on a CRT relfects too much light and ruins the black level. Also not all CRTs can produce a deep black.
Fair enough. In my review, I covered the black levels as I felt that for some people this is very important. However, I personally would never sacrifice the proper colour balance for good blacks and particularly balance between the major colours and black and balance between standard RGB colours (when calibrating the screen). OK, some monitors have better blacks but poor colour accuracy/balance and vice versa. Good monitor will always try to properly combine those two variables together, but never sacrifice any of them. In that sense I was pleasantly surprised, as NEC is balancing them in a great way.

fish99 said:
Have you tried your CRT and LCD side by side, in a pitch dark room at night? I'm not doubting what you say though, afterall I've never used that NEC LCD. I would say it's probably the screen coating doing a similar thing to Sonys X-Black.
Yup, I tried the NEC & 740SB CRT side by side and I was puzzled (in good sense). When comparing the NEC @ Advanced DVM (1600:1) enabled/Contrast 50%/Brightness 50%/Native monitor profile and CRT side by side, NEC was winning and not by small margin. As I was in disbelief at first place, I tried to tweak the CRT so that somehow I match them, but no joy. Simply put, NEC colour reproduction was "deeper", more vibrant and more balanced. Probably, credit have to go to the new LG.Philips 1600:1 panel control & OptiClear. You have more info @ http://www.baddass.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tft_central/advancedcontent.htm#dfc

fish99 said:
Your 450 cd/m2 NEC must be incredibly bright at full settings, way too bright to use I would think, unless you sit a long way from it. I'm sure if you had to do 5 hours programming on it, looking at a mostly white screen, you'd have to turn the brightness way down to stop it hurting your eyes.
True. For close up is no go. If you watch from the distance it's OK.

fish99 said:
On my SM913B LCD I had to set gamma in the monitors OSD from 1 down to 3, and turn brightness down to about 40%, to make it useable, otherwise it hurt my eyes. My current CRT is a similar brightness to the LCD with those settings.
Here, I'm keeping at 60% brightness 50% contrast and it's "pleasant'. It may happen that OptiClear is somehow additionally "smoothing" the brightness glare. Generally, I always liked the screen coating option. Apart from the slight reflections problem, it's always "calming down" the screen and in some sense it was always more pleasant & natural to the eye (especially colours).

fish99 said:
You've got to wonder why they make these screens so bright when everyone just turns the brightness down. If they just put a dimmer backlight in them, you'd get the same result, except that the black level of the monitor would be much better. I guess they want high brightness because it's a spec they can use to market the screens.
Yes, in some sense we may conclude that this is pure marketing gimmick and my major point from the above is now rising again. Some people are always chasing the numbers (and higher the better) but in reality they have to be aware what is "expectable" from all those pretty numbers, at least in perceptive way.
 
Well I can't disagree with any of that. Sounds like you have an excellent screen :cool:

Just one thing though, when I was talking about a side-by-side comparison, I just meant comparing black depth. The best test would be to display a totally black screen on both displays.

Two of my favourite games, Thief and Thief 2, are really dark. Not dark like Doom 3, where pitch black is next to very bright sections (which always make the black look darker), but in Thief, whole sections will have very little light at all (but not none) and you have to navigate and spot tiny things in that light level. The two TFTs (admittedly TN screens) I've owned looked awful in Thief, the whole game was about 4 times brighter, and it just didn't give a convincing feeling that you were in a dark environment.
 
You mean in the Thief games? Didn't make any difference. I already had the monitor on gamma 3 (lowest) contrast on full and brightness on about 40%, and as I turned the LCD brightness down further, black didn't change, just the rest of the screen faded away to the same dark muddy grey. Even on brightness 0, and with brightness in the game and on the video card turned way down, the black colour still didn't change. I really did try everything.

It's just a fundamental of TN panels that they let too much backlight through.
 
I previous had the iiyama pro 454 HM903dtb model (19") which I was very pleased the image qualty and was capable of resolutions upto 1920 X 1440 however after numerous faults and exchanges, I made a complaint to Iiyama who then upgraded me with the 22" 513 model (max res 1800X1440). I am not sure now what to do as I'm thinking of selling up and looking for a replacement as 22" is just too bulky (30kg, I dred my table breaking while I'm sitting at my desk!) for every day use (good for watching movies and playing 360 on though). After reading the above posts I'm left quite confused in to what I should purchase, as I dont want to be stuck with native resolution on LCD's/TFT's but at the same time they can never match Image quality, colour reproduction and the deepness of the blacks, Is there anything (TFT/LCD) which can come close(both in resolution and colours) to my old iiyama Pro 454?
 
sys_uk18 said:
I previous had the iiyama pro 454 HM903dtb model (19") which I was very pleased the image qualty and was capable of resolutions upto 1920 X 1440 however after numerous faults and exchanges, I made a complaint to Iiyama who then upgraded me with the 22" 513 model (max res 1800X1440). I am not sure now what to do as I'm thinking of selling up and looking for a replacement as 22" is just too bulky (30kg, I dred my table breaking while I'm sitting at my desk!) for every day use (good for watching movies and playing 360 on though). After reading the above posts I'm left quite confused in to what I should purchase, as I dont want to be stuck with native resolution on LCD's/TFT's but at the same time they can never match Image quality, colour reproduction and the deepness of the blacks, Is there anything (TFT/LCD) which can come close(both in resolution and colours) to my old iiyama Pro 454?
If you are worried about the colour reproduction, blacks, deepness and image quality ... take a look at this:

http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=120&ma2=52&mo2=95&p2=969&ph=6

;)

Unfortunately, not sure what's your stand about the resolutions and if you can accept the 1680 x 1050 as this is usually maximum supported resolution for the 20" WS monitors. You may consider the jump to 24" (as they can display the 1920 x 1200)... but in all honesty I'm not quite sure that they can reach the same image quality and colours reproduction level as NEC. Of course, you also have the price premium for 24" models (£700 and above).

There are some indications that LG.Philps will offer the 23" panel (LM230WU3) later this year, based on the same technology as NEC:

http://www.flatpanels.dk/nyhed.php?subaction=showfull&id=1140483196&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&

Unfortunately, this one will definitely have the price premium (in my opinion) and release date is far away from confirmed.
 
Thanks fpr that link, had a look but seems to show v.hight results for the iiyama 513? is that good?

I really dont think its worth the change yet, so Ill be keepin hold of crt, until sumthin better is released.
 
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