Advises for my Upgrade

4K8KW10 · 9 Oct 2017 at 20:31

Hi everyone,

I'm writing to hear what the outcome of such a configuration will be. Any remarks from you will be highly appreciated.

I have the following parts:
Graphics: Sapphire R9 380 4GB Nitro;
Power supply: OCZ ProXStream 1000W;
CPU cooler: Thermalright ULTRA-120 Extreme Black Edition 6 (upgradable with AM4 kit);
Fans for the CPU cooler: 2 x Logisys Computer 120mm LED Green;
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus;
Hard drive: Seagate 1 TB ST1000VX000;
Optical: Optiarc DVD-RW;
Keyboard: Logitech Wave;
Mouse: Genius NetScroll 100X;
Operating system: Windows 10 Pro x64.

And wanna replace my old other parts with the following:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 7 Eight Core 1700 3.70GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £269.99
1 x G.Skill Trident Z 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C17 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit (F4-3600C17D-16GTZKW)= £188.99
1 x MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon AMD X370 (Socket AM4) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £162.95
1 x Samsung 960 EVO Polaris 250GB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive= £119.99

Total: £752.42
(includes shipping: £10.50)

For a monitor I'd like something in the lines of a 24, max 27" 4K UHD with maxumim colours, 10-bit, etc.
Like Acer S7, BenQ, less likely Dell?

How do you think? Will it be a good machine with overall high performance?
TBH, I expect some gaming at 4K too, of course where appropriate with lowered settings.

4K8KW10 · 9 Oct 2017 at 21:05

orbitalwalsh said:
More costly and not as pretty as the MSI but ASRock Taichi, that and the Crosshair are the best Ryzen boards hands down for b350/x370 chip

Memory, 8 Packs 3600hz ram kit, you'll hit 3466 , maybe with slightly higher CL depending on how your cores Cashe and IMC is , luck of the draw.
I think those trident kits are Samsung d-bie, at least from 3400hz + so should stand a good chance to be honest maybe with small timing tweaks . They are doing a Ryzen kit only ! Worth a look on their website for the serial code , either a z or X at the end I think

Many thanks.
Will change to AsRock Taichi.
If those memory modules can't be OCed to 3600 like their specifications and rating states, can you please say which brand and modules will hit 3600 with the highest possible likelihood?
Thanks once more

4K8KW10 · 9 Oct 2017 at 21:36

Your replies are so precious. Thanks.
Since I love overclocking to squeeze as much as possible performance, I'd love to see where my Ryzen and memory modules would go.
Ryzen likes higher memory speeds to unleash its full potential.

My new basket is:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 7 Eight Core 1700 3.70GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £269.99
1 x Samsung 960 EVO Polaris 250GB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive= £119.99
1 x Team Group Dark Pro "8Pack Edition" 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C14 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black/= £188.99
1 x Asrock X370 Taichi AMD X370 (Socket AM4) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £229.99

Total: £819.46
(includes shipping: £10.50)

4K8KW10 · 10 Oct 2017 at 08:08

orbitalwalsh said:
Swap out the 3200 for the 3600 kit. Coming from the man himself it's the better kit and able to hit 4000hz on Intel setups . That will be your best shot, or give best timings if speed is slightly slower.
Both are Samsung B-die units which help massively

Ok

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 7 Eight Core 1700 3.70GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £269.99
1 x Asrock X370 Taichi AMD X370 (Socket AM4) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £229.99
1 x G.Skill Trident Z 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C17 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit (F4-3600C17D-16GTZKW)= £188.99
1 x Samsung 960 EVO Polaris 250GB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive= £119.99

Total: £819.46
(includes shipping: £10.50)

Can you please advise a silent case with noise reduction/isolation and a silent power supply unit?
beQuiet? https://www.bequiet.com/en/case

4K8KW10 · 10 Oct 2017 at 10:34

Can you please give other options with more modest and affordable prices? Limited budget up to £150 max total for both

I don't have so many bucks (£530 :eek:

) for a case and a power supply.

Can you also advise about the position of the fans over the CPU cooler. Should they be in push*-pull*, push-push, pull-pull, in what exactly position should I put them?

*push - I mean towards the cooler;
*pull - I mean from the cooler outward

4K8KW10 · 16 Oct 2017 at 11:12

It will be as follows:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 7 Eight Core 1700 3.70GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £278.99
1 x Asrock AB350 Pro4 AMD B350 (Socket AM4) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £98.99
1 x G.Skill Trident Z 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C16 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit (F4-3600C16D-16GTZKW)= £209.99
1 x Samsung 960 EVO Polaris 250GB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive= £149.99

Total: £748.46
(includes shipping: £10.50)

4K8KW10 · 16 Oct 2017 at 13:52

Aneskimo said:
Seems pretty solid mate, good luck on your build and grab some pictures

Thanks

I will post photos and share the impressions about system performance.

4K8KW10 · 6 Nov 2017 at 08:05

orbitalwalsh said:
@4K8KW10

Stunning case - now comes in limited white with 2000 units made, 50 to ocuk

Also, with their PSU they do underated their eff rating... But only their flagship has Jap caps which is surprising as their whole range isn't cheap .
Superflower , white, cable ports also have a white light, makes nicely but not sure on your power needs

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 Full Tower Gaming Case - White= £249.95

2 x Super Flower Leadex Platinum 750W Fully Modular "80 Plus Platinum" Power Supply - White= £132.95

Total: £530.55
(includes shipping: £14.70)

Ocuk don't stock corsairs white PSU range

I like this case, it's cheaper and as beautiful:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Kolink Aviator Midi Tower Gaming Case - White= £42.95

Total: £54.05
(includes shipping: £11.10)

4K8KW10 · 8 Nov 2017 at 09:33

Since I am much too late into the life span of Ryzen First generation, the wise decision is to skip it and postpone the upgrade.

Waiting indefinitely for better times, perhaps with Ryzen Second generation and more human RAM prices.

4K8KW10 · 8 Nov 2017 at 14:49

I will defnitely wait for more human 4K monitors prices, more human RAM prices and future Ryzen at that time.
Until then, I'm forgetting about desktop PCs. Should be able to survive on an old notebook.

Thanks, PC industry! You make everything possible even people who like you, to escape from you...

4K8KW10 · 9 Nov 2017 at 20:41

orbitalwalsh said:
The thing is, you wait and they'll always be more tech around the corner coming or on paper, just buy what you can afford at the time, upgrade when you can, then new build when it's more cost effective.

energizer123 said:
Agree with orbital, there is always something coming round the corner.

The next big thing after 4K, as far as I know is 8K. But I consider 4K the first 'good enough' resolution for the ~24" screens.
After getting a decent 4K monitor with that size, I'll be at no hurry or any willingness to get an 8K one.

Wait continues...

4K8KW10 · 10 Nov 2017 at 18:00

orbitalwalsh said:
24" screen is too small for 4k.

I like screens with high dots per inch. Makes the move from one device to another much less of a pain. For instance, the move from a ~350 dots per inch screen to a large 24" screen with very poor resolution of only 1920 x 1080 isn't pleasant at all.

4K8KW10 · 17 May 2018 at 20:14

Update on the story now.
Very soon it will be finally something in these lines:

G.SKill Ripjaws V 16GB Kit DDR4-3200 CL15 (F4-3200C15D-16GVR)
AMD Ryzen 7 2700 Box (Socket AM4, 12nm, YD2700BBAFBOX)
Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming
Samsung PM961 M.2 256GB
Monitor 4K Ultra HD LG 24UD58
XFX P1-750G-TS3X 750W Power supply

If Ryzen 3000 appears solid, I may just swap for a new CPU.
Good times ahead.

Does anyone have a feedback on this CL15 memory kit?

4K8KW10 · 18 May 2018 at 11:43

Why the SM M.2 drive?
In Germany, we have no the Sm version in stock anywhere.
And there are no "8 Pack" memory editions, either.

I think it is the best for me just to stick with the most cost efficient offers.
The Aorus 7 looks tempting but it is at least 80 euros more, and the memory I can find for well below the 150 mark, additional 50 euro saving.
130 euro more is too much with no benefit for me.

4K8KW10 · 18 May 2018 at 12:30

Well, yes, I do need a WiFi but am thinking about an additional WiFi USB dongle to be bought separately.
Do you think that the integrated in the motherboard is better?
The price difference is 140 euro vs 200 euro and for this difference of 60 euro, maybe I can buy something better, no?

Thank you for the help

4K8KW10 · 18 May 2018 at 20:38

For me, no motherboard can be ever an overkill. In the beginning, when the processor is still new, its stock performance might be more than enough.
But because I will not go after everything newest and greatest, with the lifespan of the processor and when it becomes slower for some applications, I will overclock.
And then, these VRMs may prove life saving.

I will try to stretch to the Gigabyte 7, because the price difference with the 5 is too small, mere 20 or 30 euro.

4K8KW10 · 18 May 2018 at 21:55

I don't know what to think about this displacement :eek:

Not so visible on the 5 and 7, but still far from ideal.
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X470-AORUS-ULTRA-GAMING-rev-10#kf

4K8KW10 · 19 May 2018 at 11:22

orbitalwalsh said:
Perfectly fine,

It is like the motherboard was assembled in an unknown garage somewhere in China, by students who do it for the first time.
Abysmal soldering quality there.

4K8KW10 · 19 May 2018 at 15:29

I will be extremely grateful to you if you tell me which motherboards are not like that.
I think I will not buy anything from Gigabyte. If they don't care about so simple thing like the appearance, guess how much they will care about more serious stuff.

4K8KW10 · 20 May 2018 at 23:35

orbitalwalsh said:
If you also want the NVMe , push the SM version

I will push for the Adata XPG SX8200 480GB

https://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/xpg_sx8200_m_2_ssd_review,10.html

Conclusion
ADATA may not be quite as prominent within the storage sector as Corsair, Western Digital or Samsung, for example, but the XPG SX8200 shows they certainly deserve some respect.
Our testing showed some outstanding results, mixing with the big guns in a lot of tests. Throughput and IOPS are up there in all tests, showing no noticeable weakness to the drive.

240, 480 and 960GB capacities have the market just about covered. If you plan some light use, the 240 will be ideal, those looking for a boot/games drive will likely choose a 480 while the 960 would be perfect as a total system drive, offering plenty of space and rapid access to all of your files.

The optional heatsink sticker is useful for those with motherboards featuring a built in heatsink system, which many do these days. Being able to choose whether you use it or not is great.

Getting onto price, which we mentioned in the introduction. Looking at current pricing at some major retailers, the £80 price tag on the 240GB model will get you an M.2 SSD of a similar capacity (240/250/256GB), but you won’t receive the NVMe interface, instead utilising the SATA 6GBPS bandwidth; this limits speeds to around 550MB/s and 50k IOPS. The 480GB can be had for roughly £130, which is only a smidge more than the asking price of a Samsung 250GB drive. We can’t help but think XPG are offering a bit of a bargain here – buy one before they realise their prices are too low!

Oh, and did we mention? This drive comes with a 5-year warranty.

So, update on my specification:

Adata XPG SX8200 480GB
Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 7 WIFI
AMD Ryzen 7 2700 Box (Socket AM4, 12nm, YD2700BBAFBOX)
Monitor 4K Ultra HD LG 24UD58
PSU XFX P1-750G-TS3X 750W

With the memory being one of these:

Patriot Viper 16GB Kit DDR4-3200 (PV416G320C6K)
Apacer Commando 16GB Kit DDR4-3200 (EK.16GA1.GEAK2)
G.Skill Ripjaws V 16GB Black Kit DDR4-3200 CL16 (F4-3200C16D-16GVKB)
Team Dark Pro 16GB Kit DDR4-3200 CL16 (TDPGD416G3200HC16ADC01)
G.Skill TridentZ 16GB Kit DDR4-3200 CL16 (F4-3200C16D-16GTZ)

Which one?