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Ageia PhysX + UT3

Not at all..

badbob said:
You're a marketing mans wet dream, sounds like you're already sold on one anyway and want to be told not to buy it.

Think the other way round.
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Like i said i upgrade once every 18-24 months and even then i spend 6 months, justifying the cost to myself.

I have a 9 year old daughter so its not like im made of money, i just like to try and make the best of whats available.. Hence me making this thread to see what people think.
 
Indeed as mentioned at the begining of the thread come X-mas this will be upgraded with extra ram and either a 640MB GTS or a 2900Pro..

But this thread is about the PhysX card,,, yes my system is limited by the gfx card, low system ram and possibly by todays standards a low core cpu...

Again im trying to get people opinions (preferably non biased) on the PhysX cards.
 
” Originally Posted by Rangler
Also is the Aegia PhysX card supported in 64bit terms.? driver wise.? or otherwise.?”
Very good 64-bit driver support, at least now. Took a while but they got there.





“Originally Posted by Rangler
Again im trying to get people opinions (preferably non biased) on the PhysX cards.”
Well a non biased opinion is the PPU works, it boosts FPS and adds new effects but it doesn’t work in many games. So unless you play certain PPU games a lot it’s not worth it. It works in a few none gaming application.






“ Originally Posted by Rangler
In that case WHY does the U3 engine support it.?.. Forget the framerate benefit and gfx side of things.. Would it improve gameplay and realism.???”
Some of the mods can make use of the PPU to increase realism and do neat effects and stuff that even a quad core is too weak to do. Those effects improve or change gameplay. Like the tornado mod/level that only works with a PPU. If U3 supports the PPU they get a free CPU physics API to use thats pretty good. Saveing them 100's of 1000 of ponds which is what Havok cost.





“At the present time I think a Aegia card is a waste of money,”
It’s not a waste of money for everyone. It the PPU games you have are games you play a lot it can be worth it. Everyone needs to judge for them self. What if your not a gamer and you want to use it for other things?
 
Sorry no, my posts have been fine for 10+years and it’s only recently since I started posting about Ageia that people on this forum have had problems with it. 1000’s of posts pre Ageia days and no one cared. For the most part people are not bothered about it in the none Ageia threads either.

The reason I dont want to change is its my writing style and I don’t see why I should force my self to write differently in one forum out of loads and for one topic. Writing like this and typing tags out over using buttons like B, I, U and for everything else feels natural after all this time.
 
The main reason for there being an issue (other than the headache) is that it completely extends the editing time that everyone else has to go through in a quoted reply - not only are we quoting you but also requoting ourselves all over again. It's just poor management and to be honest if it's good for everyone else, I'm not sure I understand why it's not good enough for you.

I've nothing against you m8 infact I respect your opinion, but the quoting thing does my head.
 
Up to you m8. Sorry for dragging this off subject.

From what I have seen with the UT3 videos and the influence of the PhysX card over the the actual gameplay doesn't appear to promise the breakthrough that I suspect Ageia is hoping for.
 
I have to say I am very disappointed in the way Ageia handled UT3 it could have been the killer title. Not only should they have added extra effects but even with just performance they should have marketed it better.

If I worked for the PR team I would have sent PPU’s review units out to major websites with guidelines on how to do a fair review with the condition GRAW2 and UT3 need to be benchmarked/part of the review. There should be press put out saying Ageia benchmarks get xxx FPS boost for UT3 with some catch phase.

I wonder if Ageia even bother to put out anything when Warmonger comes out?

Greebo jest at much as you like as long as its funny.
 
Pottsey said:
I have to say I am very disappointed in the way Ageia handled UT3 it could have been the killer title. Not only should they have added extra effects but even with just performance they should have marketed it better.

If I worked for the PR team I would have sent PPU’s review units out to major websites with guidelines on how to do a fair review with the condition GRAW2 and UT3 need to be benchmarked/part of the review. There should be press put out saying Ageia benchmarks get xxx FPS boost for UT3 with some catch phase.

I wonder if Ageia even bother to put out anything when Warmonger comes out?

Greebo jest at much as you like as long as its funny.
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question is, the way the ppu is implemented in ut3, can people with no ppu play with people who have a ppu online? im guessing yes, since the ppu is just used to shift the agiea physics code onto the card insted of the host cpu.

next thing: been playing the ut3 beta on my [email protected] machine, and although i have to turn world detail down to level 3, everything else is maxed out and it runs fairly well, but i can see in certain spots it is cpu limitation since the x1950pro card does seem to be fairing well.
would the ppu give a good assistance to the aging old mobile athlon pc?
if it gives a 10fps boost as mentioend above id be more than happy, im also guesisng that the weaker the host cpu is the more of a benefit the ppu will give in this game?

this is a nice way of implementing agiea physics, since it can be run in software or hardware.

/waits for ppu to drop to 40 quid.
 
Cyber-Mav said:
question is, the way the ppu is implemented in ut3, can people with no ppu play with people who have a ppu online? im guessing yes, since the ppu is just used to shift the agiea physics code onto the card insted of the host cpu.

next thing: been playing the ut3 beta on my [email protected] machine, and although i have to turn world detail down to level 3, everything else is maxed out and it runs fairly well, but i can see in certain spots it is cpu limitation since the x1950pro card does seem to be fairing well.
would the ppu give a good assistance to the aging old mobile athlon pc?
if it gives a 10fps boost as mentioend above id be more than happy, im also guesisng that the weaker the host cpu is the more of a benefit the ppu will give in this game?

this is a nice way of implementing agiea physics, since it can be run in software or hardware.

/waits for ppu to drop to 40 quid.
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You're going to be waiting for a long time then - the older PhysX card is to be/has been discontinues for the bigger 'better' unit with more grunt. In my humble opinion I'd suggest that you'd be better off putting your hard earned cash toward something with a little more universal application in your PC - i.e. new CPU or video card.

The PhysX card is a luxury item for the enthusiast and from where I am standing the issue is that a game developer knows that it's foolhardy to make the game PPU dependant and unless it has a revolutionary (true next gen in my opinion) effect on gameplay it will stay that way. Game developers know this and as such Ageia is constantly running up the down escalator.

UT is not revolutionary in it's gameplay nor in its physics application. Not a pretty picture of Ageia again I'm afraid.
 
SteveOBHave is that a guess or have you read d something on a better unit? If so could I have a link?
I haven’t ready anything about it being discontinued and a new better module being in the works.

There was talk about a PCI E card but I thought that was the same as the PCI card only a different slot. Everything I heard on the PCI E card is old, they could well have changed plans and made a better one.





“would the ppu give a good assistance to the aging old mobile athlon pc?”
In theory yes the weaker the CPU the more FPS you would gain from a PPU. I am hoping a decent review sties looks into this. But only for games like UT3 that use the PPU for speed. The same isn’t really true for games that use the PPU fro new effects.





“question is, the way the ppu is implemented in ut3, can people with no ppu play with people who have a ppu online?”
Yes it should work like that not read anything different from other PPU owners. You know I really should get around to installing and trying the demo. If I get time will try tonight.
 
Pottsey said:
SteveOBHave is that a guess or have you read d something on a better unit? If so could I have a link?
I haven’t ready anything about it being discontinued and a new better module being in the works.

There was talk about a PCI E card but I thought that was the same as the PCI card only a different slot. Everything I heard on the PCI E card is old, they could well have changed plans and made a better one.
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Well there was this article but it's pretty dubious as it to how genuine the informations is: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20070830161921.html

But as you say there is the PCI-e varient which should operate a little faster due to an increase in available bandwidth.
 
Rangler said:
Ok so lets hypothesise that i have plently of space, and the spare cash etc...

Im trying get get thoughts and real world results here, regardless off space etc etc..
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in that case get one, i speak from experience here, i had a bfg one till recently until it failed, luckily they gave me a refund.
i could no longer fit it in with this lot
no great difference to me or i would have kept it somehow



also the fan on them is quite noisy
 
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