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AI (frame generators) DLSS4

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cosmogenesis

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So we have more cuda cores than ever, faster ram (gddr7) and a wider bus 512 bit but it would appear these chips/cards can’t generation enough extra frames over the previous gen so we have dlss4 to boost performance

Reviewers seemed skeptical of these features (added latency) but is there really an issue ?

Single player games would benefit wouldn’t they whilst online games might not.

Anyone add to the situation about this
 
I've tried FG a few times and have noticed a drop in the gaming experience.

Everyone has their own perception of things and I'm sure there are many who couldn't even tell the difference between Frame Gen off/on.

Now how many will want to turn on frame generation after buying a 2k GPU is the question.
 
I used to be deeply skeptical of frame generation until recently. My first time with it was the mhwilds beta, and then stalker 2, both using the fsr framegen on a 6800xt. I came away a convert. I'm a couch controller user and my understanding is that it's less affected compared to mkb.
Getting a 5090 (hopefully!) at the end of the month and dlss frame gen is supposed to be even faster and more responsive than fsr frame gen, so I'm actually quite excited to see it in action along side the other aspects of the nvidia feature set.
That's my two penny.
 
I suspect that the FG experience will be dependent upon the performance and quality of Reflex 2, and its "Frame warp" thing. The criticism of FG stuff (aside from people simply shouting "Fake frames") seems to be that if you have 4x frame gen resulting in 120fps, your input experience is 30fps. If Reflex does something to sharpen the input experience (which seems to be what it is supposed to do), then this criticism may be lessened, and so FG may result in a better experience. I'm not sure if I'll be able to tell the difference or not.

The other thing that I heard in a YT video (WAN show, maybe) was that NVidia intend us to use FG to meet our monitor refresh rate. So, in my case, 144fps is the goal. If the "raw" fps output of the card is over that, then no FG; if the card makes 77fps then 2x FG, etc... So the level of FG is intended to be altered to meet the max refresh of the monitor.

Lastly, as a non-competitive single player game player, I care most about quality, then frame rate. If FG degrades quality, then I'll not use it.
 
DLSS 4 will be available on 2000, 3000 and 4000 series GPU's, albeit only with 2x frame gen, so everyone can experience it when they release the new drivers.

Edit - The above was incorrect.

Personally, I don't tend to use it at the moment, but my 4090 at 2160p resolution with DLSS set to 'Quality' tends to output a decent amount of frames anyway, and i'm a couch gamer with a controller on a 120hz G-sync display so i'm not that bothered about having 100's of extra frames.

I guess it would be interesting to see how it handles the Sukhothai section of the new Indiana Jones game with full path tracing, as certain sections of that were dipping below 40fps.
 
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I have got my 144 Mhz monitor linked to the my 4090 at 1440p and it is rock solid for Bf2042. ill try some other games out and see what happens. I am gonna download stalker 2 and see how that goes
 
The tech is interesting but it seems they are having to fix problems they are creating, it will be interesting to see the latency of these generated frames. It seems like nvidia reflex was created to solve this "generated" problem from DLSS which in itself was created to fix ray tracing performance issues. Is it all worth it?
 
Surely it will greatly improve over time to the point where you cant tell the difference.

But for now I will seek to avoid using it whenever possible.
 
Given how ..... I don't want to use the word "lazy" but I'm struggling for any other excuse.... but yeah, how a lot of devs are utilising upscaling to allow their *******-optimised games to run with semi-reasonable performance, my worry with fake-frames is that they get even lazier with optimisation. "RUNS AT 4k 60FPS!!!" (with MFG and DLSS Performance mode)... yeah, I don't want to play 15fps games because devs pushed out some garbage that doesn't run properly.. I don't want this to be ANOTHER crutch for them
 
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I remain sceptical about this push for more FG. Would honestly be interested in at least the option of a card where all of the silicon was dedicated to pure raster. Problem is that gaming graphics cards are just hand-me-down left over scraps from the AI table. So dishonest the way they are marketing these new cards when so much now is about software updates and new upscaling models.
 
KNiVES said:
I used to be deeply skeptical of frame generation until recently. My first time with it was the mhwilds beta, and then stalker 2, both using the fsr framegen on a 6800xt. I came away a convert. I'm a couch controller user and my understanding is that it's less affected compared to mkb.
Getting a 5090 (hopefully!) at the end of the month and dlss frame gen is supposed to be even faster and more responsive than fsr frame gen, so I'm actually quite excited to see it in action along side the other aspects of the nvidia feature set.
That's my two penny.
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Quite a big difference in acceptable latency between a controller and mouse in most cases - controller also tends to benefit more from a consistent, rather than necessarily higher, frame rate so within certain parameters frame generation can be beneficial there as long as the base frame rate is high enough there aren't a lot of visual artefacts happening due to frame generation.

Personally I find say 40FPS to 70FPS with frame gen worse than just having 40 in the first place, but where I've got say 70-80FPS in the first place frame gen can top that up to say 100-120FPS with more benefits than negatives, but for PC gaming with keyboard and mouse it isn't the most useful where you need extra frame rate the most in my opinion.
 
Is the DLSS benefit mainly for 4k monitors? I'm running 1440p and can't see me changing to 4k anytime soon. I've got a Vega 64 which is struggling with newer games and looking to upgrade soon. I'm not sure if the 5070 woulld be beneficial? my son just had a 7900XT for Xmas, running 1440p as well, and the performance is excellent.
 
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