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No, but licensing would be a good idea.Amp34 said:
Airgun crackdown?
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Phnom_Penh said:
And what would the licencing rules be? No people with prior criminal convictions? Or would everyone wanting to get a licence have to go through a 2 day course teaching them how to use it and being psycologically analysed at the same time (costing hundreds of pounds of course)?
Would BB guns have to be licenced as well? How about those little kids guns that fire out rubber suction cupped darts?
A licence would probably cost over £100 to get, how many people could really afford to pay that for what is in all intent and purpose a toy? People who need a rifle/gun for a professional reason will get a proper gun licence.
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No irresponsible little ****s.Amp34 said:
Can people get killed by them?Amp34 said:
It's a gun, not a toy. People who think it's a toy shouldn't have one tbh.Amp34 said:
I went to a car boot sale last Sunday and a man had three air guns for sale. About ten minutes later I saw a youth of about 12 or 13 with it in his hands. He was with his parents and they had obviously bought it for him. The youth was actually pointing the air gun at people and taking imaginary pop-shots at them. Goodness knows what the youth will get up to when his parents buy him a box of pellets!
So who governs who is an irrisponsible ****? Its rather vague, if the person looks like a chav for instance they would be banned from having one?Phnom_Penh said:
Maybe the pellet can go down someones throat suffocating them. There's almost as much likelyness of that happening as someone being killed by a legal airgun. You have to be very unlucky (or lucky) to kill someone with an airgun TBH.Phnom_Penh said:
Phnom_Penh said:
Ok yes admittedly they are not a toy but they are not in the same league as weapons using explosives to discharge the round (ie a rifle or shotgun) are they? What I was getting at was that the majority of airgun users use them as a hobby whereas the majority of rifle/shotgun users use them for a reason.
That is the whole problem, the age limit doesn't work, the kids who will use an air rifle stupidly are the ones whose parents couldn't give a **** anyway. The child learns from their parent, if they are inconsiderate and dangerous the child probably will be too. I can see Penh's argument for a licence its just it would never work and would as usual be made extortionately expensive and amost impossible to get.
How long will it take for all the idiots who support the ban culture to learn that banning something never ever works!
The amount of people who can’t rationally think things through is truly scary. Banning is done out of ignorance and often a knee-jerk reaction to an event.
Example: handguns after dunblane.
and an example of how stupid the ban culture is: lets ban aeroplanes as they crash into skyscrapers and kill people.
Why don’t target the route of the problem before we jump on the self richeous bandwagon of ignorance and stupidity.
The amount of people who can’t rationally think things through is truly scary. Banning is done out of ignorance and often a knee-jerk reaction to an event.
Example: handguns after dunblane.
and an example of how stupid the ban culture is: lets ban aeroplanes as they crash into skyscrapers and kill people.
Why don’t target the route of the problem before we jump on the self richeous bandwagon of ignorance and stupidity.
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Nobody said anything about banning them....AmaTeX said:
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Please explain why you are not reporting these people to the police; knowing about their activities and not reporting them negates the rest of your post as far as I'm concerned.
We can't say " it's ok when we are responsible" etc and then not report someone who takes pot shots at people ........
If the existing laws were enforced there would be an effective deterrent, they aren't though. Maximum sentence for assault with an airgun is life imprisonment.
A ban/licence scheme is unworkable. The amount of airguns in circulation makes it a hideously expensive waste of taxpayers money. Look at how well the handgun ban worked........ never hear of handgun crime now eh
Only law abiding citizens would hand their gun/s over to the police or apply for a licence to own one.
A ban/licence scheme is unworkable. The amount of airguns in circulation makes it a hideously expensive waste of taxpayers money. Look at how well the handgun ban worked........ never hear of handgun crime now eh
Only law abiding citizens would hand their gun/s over to the police or apply for a licence to own one.
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Yet another recent article which illustrates my point: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/5359708.stm
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VeNT said:
No they're not supposed to have them, but they do, which is my point.
Burnsy
I believe the parents of these children who use air rifles irresponsibly have a lot to answer for. I believe it cant be blamed on anything else. after all, i have seen violent films, played violent games etc (not that i want to get into a debate about that) but had i been brought up differently, perhaps i would be that kid who was taking "imaginary pop-shots" at people, or perhapes even worse. Instead i shoot in a controlled environment at my uiniversity range.
Secondly, introducing a new law about who can and can't own air rifles will not work. It will simply spoil it for everyone that wants to do things by the law, and all the people that the new law aims to stop owning air rifles will still get hold of them anyway. Its the same as when the law on hand guns / pistols was introduced. Gun crime didnt suffer much of a hit, but at the same time, all the people who used them responsibly suffered.
Woody
Secondly, introducing a new law about who can and can't own air rifles will not work. It will simply spoil it for everyone that wants to do things by the law, and all the people that the new law aims to stop owning air rifles will still get hold of them anyway. Its the same as when the law on hand guns / pistols was introduced. Gun crime didnt suffer much of a hit, but at the same time, all the people who used them responsibly suffered.
Woody