Alcohol duty increasing next week

I guess the question boils down to:

Would you prefer tax to go up on all your income or on a small amount of luxury goods you don't need to buy?
 
Good old Brexit - If it is responsible for beer-wine and spirits going up and plebs can't afford it then the NHS in a few years time will see a drop in alcohol related health problems- then they can concentrate on treating all these poor migrants (Tony bliar) that are coming here with diseases we have eradicated for years. Not all bad things are bad :eek::(
 
This is why over 75s should stop voting. You can't do jury service after 75. There was a positive correlation between age and likelihood to vote Brexit. Read somewhere if over 75s were banned from voting, the outcome would have been 59/41 in favour for remain.

Not sure if I approve of the current hatred for old people. They seem to get blamed for everything. It's a myth that they had it easier. And they paid their National Insurance, it's not their fault successive governments decided to squander it.
 
Not sure if I approve of the current hatred for old people. They seem to get blamed for everything. It's a myth that they had it easier. And they paid their National Insurance, it's not their fault successive governments decided to squander it.
I generally agree with the hating old people point but National insurance is just a tax on employment, it’s not ring fenced for anything and just goes into the big pot in the treasury and spent on anything and everything. It’s not something you can hold out as some kind of special status.
 
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We didn't want none of that French muck wine anyway.


Spent the last week in Spain where a good quality bottle of Rioja costs around €4-5, the same bottle here would probably sell for around 3x that.

Utterly bonkers how deeply and regularly we get shafted in this country and yet we just tut, bend over, and wait for another reaming.

Just because i take every opportunity to announce i'm moving there. I'll be in Spain for good in around 2 months :D
 
There is a balance to that, where some reaction in the EU is high. Sat in Portugal atm and for example when my mam sold her home in faro, she was taxed 33%.

Utilities can be cut off if payments aren’t made etc (unlike in the uk). it’s not all roses here.

I’d still move out here if the money permitted, but I prefer the lifestyle in the med.

True. Stamp Duty (of effectively the same thing) is also 10%, Same with buying a second hand car. Go pay 10% to the government to transfer ownership. There's no £12,500 tax free personal allowance, and income taxes are generally a lot higher. No £325k Inheritance Tax tax free allowance either.

Also can probably add, want to sell a car privately? Got to pay the equivalent of an accountant/lawyer to process it as the government make everything unnecessarily complicated and you can't just process a form online like over here. Everything is done in person and costs money to do anything.


Just different methods to claw back the money. Keep certain taxes low whilst making others high. The UK just does it the other way round. Give people more money initially, but tax them more on spending.
 
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**** this government.

We need a modern day Guy Fawkes, one that doesn't get caught.

We need a religious terrorist to murder the protestant king and restore the catholic monarchy by manipulation of his 9 year old daughter.

Right, right. Someone better tell Charlotte. (Well granddaughter but close enough)
 
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Not sure if I approve of the current hatred for old people. They seem to get blamed for everything. It's a myth that they had it easier. And they paid their National Insurance, it's not their fault successive governments decided to squander it.
Plus get older generations who vote for a certain party because their late spouse would have voted for them. Their spouse died 20 years ago. Those people shouldn't vote either.
 
I look forward to weeks of being told by customers that my beer prices should have come down when, in truth, the duty on most draught beer & cider is the same as it was last week.

It's not all bad though. Duty on lower ABV beers actually has come down, so beers like Bud Light are even cheaper than they already were. Same for lower ABV wines, with the duty on a 10% ABV wine being 53p less than one in the 11.5% to 14.5% range. It might be that the customers do get their price cuts via changes to our offering.
 
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Welcome to democracy where everyone is given the right to vote and that should never change.

That's quite wrong.

The particular part I'll bring up is that there's an age limit for voting and there's a desperate struggle to prevent it being lowered to 16 from 18. Which it's currently at after being lowered from 21 to 18 about 50 years ago.

There isn't an upper limit but it would make as much sense as a lower one.
 
That's quite wrong.

The particular part I'll bring up is that there's an age limit for voting and there's a desperate struggle to prevent it being lowered to 16 from 18. Which it's currently at after being lowered from 21 to 18 about 50 years ago.

There isn't an upper limit but it would make as much sense as a lower one.
I wouldn't say quite wrong, once you're legally an adult and can do all the other things adults can do then you can vote with no restriction.
Imposing an upper age limit because you don't like the way that age range vote seems a bit of a slippery slope.
Allowing someone legally classed as a child to vote is slightly different in my mind.
 
I wouldn't say quite wrong, once you're legally an adult and can do all the other things adults can do then you can vote with no restriction.
Imposing an upper age limit because you don't like the way that age range vote seems a bit of a slippery slope.
Allowing someone legally classed as a child to vote is slightly different in my mind.

The labels and restrictions are arbitrary.
Some of the most enthusiastic resistance against lowering the lower age limit is... not liking the way that younger voters vote. Why allow more voters in that you don't like.

Let's have an anecdote. A grandparent into their 90's was taken to the polling station to vote. Later that same day they had no awareness of having voted at all. Or for that matter what the beginning of a moderately long sentence was.

No need to give undue respect to a lower age limit when there's an undue assumption that having attained the age limit you are in full possession of a set of marbles forever.
 
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