Alder Lake pushes Intel's CPU market share to a record high for 2021, per Mindfactory data

[MartinPrince]

Well done Dave on starting a thread that hasn't been deleted by the Mods, though I suggest you give it a while before starting another unnecessary 'look how great Intel is' thread.

We all know how generally AL is a very good CPU and that it is way better that RL, so obviously sales will go up. Actually, what would be refreshing from you is a post or comment admitting how generally poor RL was!

 

[humbug]

Should take a read of this, might straighten out your view of E cores.

https://chipsandcheese.com/2021/12/21/gracemont-revenge-of-the-atom-cores/

What i find interesting about that is how in the text they talk about ADL branch perdition being higher than Zen 2, with no mention in the text about Zen 3, when you look at the charts Zen 3 has the best branch perdition accuracy of all.

 

[Purgatory]

Once again talking out your bottom I see.



The user has been tracking data for over a decade now, and Intel lost their market share at that specific shop just like every other shop, as they are there to MAKE MONEY, they don't care what brand they sell, as long as it sells. I present the graph above which is now over 2 years old, but illustrates your lack of knowledge about the PC hardware industry.

As useful as this post from him too :-

Would recommend using the three M.2 slots on the actual motherboard, before populating the Hyper m.2 add in card. Save the Hyper M.2 car for when you get a gen 5 SSD later this year

Does he not realise that Gen 5 drives are coming to enterprise first and what was shown as a test by Ryan here was an enterprise drive not a consumer drive :-

https://twitter.com/ryanshrout/status/1476609814402945029?s=20

https://twitter.com/x/status/1476609814402945029

Consumer drives will be comically expensive when they come out and will not be out any time soon too. So not sure what his motives are. The same rubbish he pushed at people here too with the 11900k that is now classed as the biggest embarrassment for intel ever, but of course he owned one so you know he is of course always right.

Also you can stick any enterprise hardware in a consumer pc and show silly benchmarks but these devices at enterprise level have a huge price tag, hey how about we also add a 100GbE ethernet card in too and compare it to 1GbE or 2.5GbE that is now becoming the standard on motherboards or even 10GbE on some motherboards or pcie card addons. .. His logic never makes sense. This was coming from the guy that said the 3090 is a waste of money and will wait for a £750-£800 3080ti with 20GB when they come out, we all said it will never be that price (people that live in reality and real tech enthusiasts) and will be £1k+ but of course day it came out he changed his tune when 3080ti came out with 12GB and a msrp of £1050 he went and got a 3090 as we all told him to do from the start if he wanted a better card than the 3080.


Alder Lake as a cpu is a good cpu but not the 12900k, the 12700k and down are great cpus, the 12900k is still a mess and the power use is silly still and yes I know under certain conditions it is also pretty good at power use, but still not in the same league as what AMD have.


For me the CPU that won 2021 was easily the 12700k if you were willing to swallow the motherboard prices and the DDR5 prices, but reality DDR4 was fine on these cpus. The best cpu for consumers for HEDT needs is still the 5950x, everything else I would say get a 12700k if again you are willing to spend more on the motherboard.


Now real world sales are clearly in AMDs favour still and even some retailers spoke out and said they sold more AMD cpus on release in a few hours than what 12000 intel has sold in many weeks since release.

Also here is a good poll showing the mentality of real world consumers :-



https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ke-tempting-enough-to-switch-to-intel.289019/

 

[humbug]

As useful as this post from him too :-





Does he not realise that Gen 5 drives are coming to enterprise first and what was shown as a test by Ryan here was an enterprise drive not a consumer drive :-

https://twitter.com/ryanshrout/status/1476609814402945029?s=20

https://twitter.com/x/status/1476609814402945029

Consumer drives will be comically expensive when they come out and will not be out any time soon too. So not sure what his motives are. The same rubbish he pushed at people here too with the 11900k that is now classed as the biggest embarrassment for intel ever, but of course he owned one so you know he is of course always right.

Also you can stick any enterprise hardware in a consumer pc and show silly benchmarks but these devices at enterprise level have a huge price tag, hey how about we also add a 100GbE ethernet card in too and compare it to 1GbE or 2.5GbE that is now becoming the standard on motherboards or even 10GbE on some motherboards or pcie card addons. .. His logic never makes sense. This was coming from the guy that said the 3090 is a waste of money and will wait for a £750-£800 3080ti with 20GB when they come out, we all said it will never be that price (people that live in reality and real tech enthusiasts) and will be £1k+ but of course day it came out he changed his tune when 3080ti came out with 12GB and a msrp of £1050 he went and got a 3090 as we all told him to do from the start if he wanted a better card than the 3080.


Alder Lake as a cpu is a good cpu but not the 12900k, the 12700k and down are great cpus, the 12900k is still a mess and the power use is silly still and yes I know under certain conditions it is also pretty good at power use, but still not in the same league as what AMD have.


For me the CPU that won 2021 was easily the 12700k if you were willing to swallow the motherboard prices and the DDR5 prices, but reality DDR4 was fine on these cpus. The best cpu for consumers for HEDT needs is still the 5950x, everything else I would say get a 12700k if again you are willing to spend more on the motherboard.


Now real world sales are clearly in AMDs favour still and even some retailers spoke out and said they sold more AMD cpus on release in a few hours than what 12000 intel has sold in many weeks since release.

Also here is a good poll showing the mentality of real world consumers :-



https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ke-tempting-enough-to-switch-to-intel.289019/

The Mentality of real world customers?

How is it worth me switching my 5800X to what Intel set-up? And what's wrong with my mentality if i don't agree?

 

[Tee Hee Johnson]

What i find interesting about that is how in the text they talk about ADL branch perdition being higher than Zen 2, with no mention in the text about Zen 3, when you look at the charts Zen 3 has the best branch perdition accuracy of all.

I think that was because they were going down the line of Gracemont having more in common with Zen 2 as opposed to Zen 3.

 

[humbug]

I think that was because they were going down the line of Gracemont having more in common with Zen 2 as opposed to Zen 3.

Ah ok.

 

[jigger]

At the moment the item to spend money is storage. We’ve had months of good CPU and motherboard deals, but what the DIY console market are desperate for is reasonably priced GPU’s. The pent up demand for even half decent performance to prices levels is huge across all segments.

 

[0h_no_not_again]

Should take a read of this, might straighten out your view of E cores.

https://chipsandcheese.com/2021/12/21/gracemont-revenge-of-the-atom-cores/

That was a great read, thanks for the link! Super interesting getting into the branch predictors, where no modern reviewer either speaks about them or knows anything about them, despite being one of the major factors in performance.
I wanna see the same analysis on the M1, where I've seen some rough figures, but nothing as detailed as this.

 

[Jono8]

Not surprising. For those looking for an entirely new rig/new motherboard set up, the 12600k and 12700k kind of majorly pooped all over the current Ryzen line up at their current price points.

 

[ALXAndy]

Shocking how fast intel rebounds. Its like everyone is waiting on the sofa for intel to drop new tech.

Fact is that Intel had terrible difficulties shrinking. AMD have done very well with Ryzen, but had Intel got their shrinks on track AMD would still be the budget brand. Intel shrunk to Broadwell, but it was crap. Well, not crap in a server perspective but the clocks on their desktop CPUs (that they soon cancelled) were terrible. Alderlake should have happened before AMD even released Ryzen. Had it done? things would be very different today had Intel not got stuck on 14nm for so long.

I'm an AMD fan. Not a fanboy, because I have never EVER let a company sway what I buy in any way or influence how I spend my cash, and I just bought a 12700KF. I liked AMD. Not so much lately they're getting a bit greedy and above themselves (like Intel did) and their GPU prices are a LOL. "Oh look Nvidia released a GPU for a grand, let's do the same oh goody goody *chuckles*".

I think they need to realise how fragile their market share can be when Intel actually have good products to sell. And IMO? ARC is going to destroy RTG.

 

[humbug]

Fact is that Intel had terrible difficulties shrinking. AMD have done very well with Ryzen, but had Intel got their shrinks on track AMD would still be the budget brand. Intel shrunk to Broadwell, but it was crap. Well, not crap in a server perspective but the clocks on their desktop CPUs (that they soon cancelled) were terrible. Alderlake should have happened before AMD even released Ryzen. Had it done? things would be very different today had Intel not got stuck on 14nm for so long.

I'm an AMD fan. Not a fanboy, because I have never EVER let a company sway what I buy in any way or influence how I spend my cash, and I just bought a 12700KF. I liked AMD. Not so much lately they're getting a bit greedy and above themselves (like Intel did) and their GPU prices are a LOL. "Oh look Nvidia released a GPU for a grand, let's do the same oh goody goody *chuckles*".

I think they need to realise how fragile their market share can be when Intel actually have good products to sell. And IMO? ARC is going to destroy RTG.

That's a whole load of crap, Ryzen 1000 was 14nm, same as Intel, only Intel was more mature, despite this AMD CPU's used half the power of Intel and they got 2X as much in the same die space, just like it is now.

Intel's CPU architecture is just not as good.

But if only Intel had been better AMD would be the budget brand, well yeah. Its just a shame Intel aren't doing everything they can to be better, right?

They all do the best that they can, if one makes a better product its not due to the hard work their competitor put in to failing.
These cognitive gymnastics are asinine.

 

[Dave2150]

Fact is that Intel had terrible difficulties shrinking. AMD have done very well with Ryzen, but had Intel got their shrinks on track AMD would still be the budget brand. Intel shrunk to Broadwell, but it was crap. Well, not crap in a server perspective but the clocks on their desktop CPUs (that they soon cancelled) were terrible. Alderlake should have happened before AMD even released Ryzen. Had it done? things would be very different today had Intel not got stuck on 14nm for so long.

I'm an AMD fan. Not a fanboy, because I have never EVER let a company sway what I buy in any way or influence how I spend my cash, and I just bought a 12700KF. I liked AMD. Not so much lately they're getting a bit greedy and above themselves (like Intel did) and their GPU prices are a LOL. "Oh look Nvidia released a GPU for a grand, let's do the same oh goody goody *chuckles*".

I think they need to realise how fragile their market share can be when Intel actually have good products to sell. And IMO? ARC is going to destroy RTG.

Agree with this. Don't see long for RTG - Nvidia were already too much competition, couple that with Intel...

 

[ALXAndy]

That's a whole load of crap, Ryzen 1000 was 14nm, same as Intel, only Intel was more mature, despite this AMD CPU's used half the power of Intel and they got 2X as much in the same die space, just like it is now.

Intel's CPU architecture is just not as good.

But if only Intel had been better AMD would be the budget brand, well yeah. Its just a shame Intel aren't doing everything they can to be better, right?

They all do the best that they can, if one makes a better product its not due to the hard work their competitor put in to failing.
These cognitive gymnastics are asinine.

Only its not a load of crap dude. It's fact. Intel's last shrink was Broadwell. Their desktop parts were so bad they canned them.

From there on (and since the Ryzen launch) they have been stuck on 14nm.

Ryzen was great because it offered value. Not performance. The 5960x and so on all clocked higher, so offset the difference. The big win for AMD was price. Clocks were awful, though, and memory issues were rife. Maybe your memory isn't what it was?

They started getting really good on the 3000 series. By which time they had shrunk and Intel were still stuck on 14nm. Alderlake is their first shrink since Broadwell, and look how good it is. So good it's already become the defacto choice for gaming and mid range builds. They've also grabbed back a big market share since.

Ryzen 5000 was superb. However, in the face of Alderlake it's too expensive. I reckon this 3d cache thing might get them level again on gaming, but we won't see anything big until AM5.

Dave - Intel will destroy RTG. They have chosen the perfect time to launch. Mostly because, lets be honest, even if they're a bit crap they will be all you can buy. So they don't even need to be that good. Just offer decent gaming performance and they will sell hand over fist. Intel's marketing machine will steam roller AMD. That's one thing Intel has, a huge marketing budget where AMD have had to be more careful. Theirs matches Nvidia's easy.

They reckon by next year they will be competing with Nvidia. Where that will leave AMD? gawd knows.

 

[ALXAndy]

The Mentality of real world customers?

How is it worth me switching my 5800X to what Intel set-up? And what's wrong with my mentality if i don't agree?

Indeed. It just depends where you are. I bought a 3950x just as the pandemic was beginning. Well, about a week before lockdown that I knew was coming. It's been fantastic, but I did want better gaming performance. Wanted to buy a 5000 series but IMO they haven't dropped enough in price. So I went AL, which is better for gaming.

If that 17% are new customers? that could turn out to be a big part of the market share. If it was 5% or less I would be worried.